Month, Day: Might, Names (Grace)
In SAQ #48, we see a reference to ether: If we wish to deny everything that is not sensible, then we must deny the realities which unquestionably exist. For example, ethereal matter is not sensible, though it has an undoubted existence. The power of attraction is not sensible, though it certainly exists. From what do we affirm these existences? From their signs. Thus this light is the vibration of that ethereal matter, and from this vibration we infer the existence of ether.
Some apologize for this use of the word. Why? Well, using it nowadays opens one up to much derision.
But, consider that `Abdu'l-Bahá may have known about that which he was talking. SAQ #48 explains the differences between plants and animals, as well as those between animals and man. Earlier, in SAQ #16, concern was raised about how symbols are required "to convey intellectual conceptions" which 'ether' in a sense is, a symbol, that is.
Lately, the Economist used 'ether' in a review of Frank Wilczek's book; the Economist had this to say about what Wilczek calls a 'grid': "What is perceived as empty space turns out to be a new kind of ether, a patchwork of quantum fields teeming with spontaneous activity, and the fundamental building block of nature."
The wit of the Economist notwithstanding, there are many other expositions, based upon very respectable worldviews, that dance around this subject that was briefly covered in SAQ #48; actually, no apology is necessary.
Remarks:
08/01/2012
--Ether,
in a manner that is unavoidably true. Our task? Show how to handle the
matter from a scientific (the wise interpretation, okay?) framework. And, audacity is not necessary.
01/25/2012 -- Yes, still at it. Ready to be more audacious. What we're looking for has to do with mind; at some point, it will be allowed by science that we can observe effects (actually, predict, to boot - one step forward will be a more insightful mathematics).
08/23/2009 -- I'll make it a little stronger. `Abdu'l-Bahá knew what he was talking about (SAQ #48): For example, ethereal matter is not sensible, though it has an undoubted existence. This is fairly definite.
06/05/2009 -- Light very much is something to study in this context.
11/17/2008 -- Consider Light and other topics for an extended science.
Modified: 08/01/2012
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Wednesday, August 1, 2012
Great Ether
Month, Day: 169, Perfection, Splendour (Justice)
As man progresses in pulling secrets out of nature (growing in hubris at the same time) with his models, the concept of 'ether' has become associated with ignorance. Ah, yes. However, we have used it here, a number of times (search on ether). Why? For one, many seem to be apologetic about its use in the Writings. Too, the story has not been fully written, people.
Hopefully, some ideas that need attention will get receive more than the scoffing putdown.
The whole matter came to me, again, as I was reading excerpts from Juliet's recollections about the Master's visit to the U.S. That whole bit was such a blessing which might bear some discussion within the contexts being covered here.
The posting on the Great Ether is of much significance as it mentions the power of the Master (and, introduces a glimmer of an approach to resolving issues that matter). Another post rocks:
Remarks:
08/01/2012 --
Modified: 08/01/2012
As man progresses in pulling secrets out of nature (growing in hubris at the same time) with his models, the concept of 'ether' has become associated with ignorance. Ah, yes. However, we have used it here, a number of times (search on ether). Why? For one, many seem to be apologetic about its use in the Writings. Too, the story has not been fully written, people.
Hopefully, some ideas that need attention will get receive more than the scoffing putdown.
The whole matter came to me, again, as I was reading excerpts from Juliet's recollections about the Master's visit to the U.S. That whole bit was such a blessing which might bear some discussion within the contexts being covered here.
The posting on the Great Ether is of much significance as it mentions the power of the Master (and, introduces a glimmer of an approach to resolving issues that matter). Another post rocks:
Amusingly, while materialists are engaged in making
discoveries concerning the strata of the earth, they are immersed in the very
spiritual power whose potency and influence they deny. They also claim to
forecast coming events.
Remarks:
08/01/2012 --
Modified: 08/01/2012
Monday, February 18, 2008
Those E words
Month, Day: Dominion, Knowledge (Perfection)
There are several words that cover topics of interest to true knowledge, yet they are problematic to the scientific view. Just looking at the ones beginning in 'e' is sufficient to motivate interminable discussion, such as eternal, existence, evolution, ether, ethics and much more.
Take 'existence'; `Abdu'l-Bahá described how "this endless " universe "has no beginning" so that existence is "eternal and perpetual" (these are hard concepts for science to handle). At the same time, we can take 'evolution' and it's propensity to foster arguments that descend into a quagmire of creationism (as if what we see was placed in full-up maturity) versus materialism (as if dust to dust, quantumly speaking, was the total picture).
Well, we have had evolution, meaning, of course, the human race (all Creation, to boot) and changes through time, respectively. In that same discussion, `Abdu'l-Bahá said that "man, in the beginning of his existence and in the womb of the earth, like the embryo in the womb of the mother, gradually grew and developed, and passed from one form to another, from one shape to another, until he appeared with this beauty and perfection, this force and this power" with no explanation as to dynamics or the amount of time involved. Though, we know that Manifestations have always been.
The mechanics may very well be amenable to an insightful scientific view, which implies that intuition necessarily gets back into the equation.
While declaring that man has evolved, there was discussion that man differs from the animal in several ways despite the fact that man has evolved. The discussion used "ether" as an example of things not seen yet deducible from observation of effect.
Of course, the modern view scoffs at a lot of this. Even, the application of the principle of the harmony of science and religion dances around the subject. But, one could argue that "ethics" would lead to a basis that supports the notion that the Master knew what He was talking about, allowing for issues of translation and cultural differences between His time and ours.
This will be looked at further. The underlying theme is that Creation and the Kingdom are intertwined. And, 'ether' is one of the concepts that can be used to characterize the properties of the interplaying scheme (yes, Light is one of the Attributes of God).
Further, a scientific view based upon the Faith would allow introduction and application of these, the 'e' beginning and other, concepts that would explain and found a more full knowledge than we have seen (been allowed to see) to date.
Remarks:
08/01/2012 --Ether, in a manner that is unavoidably true. Our task? Show how to handle the matter from a scientific (the wise interpretation, okay?) framework. And, audacity is not necessary.
01/25/2012 -- Yes, still at it. Ready to be more audacious. What we're looking for has to do with mind; at some point, it will be allowed by science that we can observe effects (actually, predict, to boot - one step forward will be a more insightful mathematics).
10/04/2010 -- Friction can beget progress.
09/12/2009 -- Economics requires additional attention.
08/16/2009 -- Science, again.
Modified: 08/01/2012
There are several words that cover topics of interest to true knowledge, yet they are problematic to the scientific view. Just looking at the ones beginning in 'e' is sufficient to motivate interminable discussion, such as eternal, existence, evolution, ether, ethics and much more.
Take 'existence'; `Abdu'l-Bahá described how "this endless " universe "has no beginning" so that existence is "eternal and perpetual" (these are hard concepts for science to handle). At the same time, we can take 'evolution' and it's propensity to foster arguments that descend into a quagmire of creationism (as if what we see was placed in full-up maturity) versus materialism (as if dust to dust, quantumly speaking, was the total picture).
Well, we have had evolution, meaning, of course, the human race (all Creation, to boot) and changes through time, respectively. In that same discussion, `Abdu'l-Bahá said that "man, in the beginning of his existence and in the womb of the earth, like the embryo in the womb of the mother, gradually grew and developed, and passed from one form to another, from one shape to another, until he appeared with this beauty and perfection, this force and this power" with no explanation as to dynamics or the amount of time involved. Though, we know that Manifestations have always been.
The mechanics may very well be amenable to an insightful scientific view, which implies that intuition necessarily gets back into the equation.
While declaring that man has evolved, there was discussion that man differs from the animal in several ways despite the fact that man has evolved. The discussion used "ether" as an example of things not seen yet deducible from observation of effect.
Of course, the modern view scoffs at a lot of this. Even, the application of the principle of the harmony of science and religion dances around the subject. But, one could argue that "ethics" would lead to a basis that supports the notion that the Master knew what He was talking about, allowing for issues of translation and cultural differences between His time and ours.
This will be looked at further. The underlying theme is that Creation and the Kingdom are intertwined. And, 'ether' is one of the concepts that can be used to characterize the properties of the interplaying scheme (yes, Light is one of the Attributes of God).
Further, a scientific view based upon the Faith would allow introduction and application of these, the 'e' beginning and other, concepts that would explain and found a more full knowledge than we have seen (been allowed to see) to date.
Remarks:
08/01/2012 --Ether, in a manner that is unavoidably true. Our task? Show how to handle the matter from a scientific (the wise interpretation, okay?) framework. And, audacity is not necessary.
01/25/2012 -- Yes, still at it. Ready to be more audacious. What we're looking for has to do with mind; at some point, it will be allowed by science that we can observe effects (actually, predict, to boot - one step forward will be a more insightful mathematics).
10/04/2010 -- Friction can beget progress.
09/12/2009 -- Economics requires additional attention.
08/16/2009 -- Science, again.
Modified: 08/01/2012
Saturday, August 3, 2013
Audacious comment
Month, Day: 170, Perfection, Beauty (Glory)
I did not expect to be back to this until 8/8 (Perfection squared; here's another type), however a comment left on the Baha'i Faith and Science Talk page provided an unexpected motivation. Rather than respond to the comment on the Talk page, I decided to do so here.
Firstly, the comment (in part - see discussion, below) from Anonymous (from Texas): ... But I also believe in prophecy. I have my own interpretations of Baha'i prophecies on science. I believe that what this page says about creation and nuclear power is true.... As for ether, I believe that Abdul Baha was referring to the Higgs boson. Transmutation of elements? I believe that refers to picotechnology and femtotechnology which are orders of magnitude smaller than nanotechnology. ...
Secondly, there are many things to discuss, in an audacious mode. Whether or not the topic gets attention by those doing "scholarly" work can be immaterial. I can put my finger on several examples where the peers did not understand some person who turned out to be right. But, more, it's a matter of concern for the individual (no group will stand in your stead when it's your time). This is brief, but we can say this: science, and knowledge, are far beyond what the current-day cohorts (of talent, drive -- in other words, on the largely-gifted side -- see the little thing about gallons, cups, handfuls) have wrapped within their mathematically-flavored sense of reality.
Thirdly, we have the Wiki policies to consider. That is not the platform for discussion or creatively expressed ideas. So, where is there such? Well, we could have a page off the BF&S to allow such. The Talk page has gotten a lot of use.
---
I like the use of "prophecy" and am assuming some notion of other ways of knowing. One onus for those of the BF'ers (or any who honor spirituality) would be to counter yokes that are all the time trying to encompass being (restrain it) into a bounded state. Mind you, an individual very well may constrain itself; that is a matter of choice (actually, it is counseled - but, against whose judgment is one to reflect for value?). It's more than a matter of constraints; any autodidact would easily show something to his/her peers, if they would listen (unfortunately, that is not the way of the world whose principle value resides within a committee who offers prizes -- we can discuss this, at length).
Yes, the BF&S page mentions a lot more than it did in 2005. That denotes progress. But, some of the words seem to dance around (almost tautological view of minerals being everywhere - as if this were life in the larger connotations), so as to not get dinged (?) by those who are virulently supportive of their modern views (some of which are more scientism than not - sometimes noted as Brights, here). So, the comment's take on the items is nice to see. We'll get back to this.
Ether? Yes, that is a problematic area; it's almost a litmus test to see if someone falls into hubris with their knowledge. Consider, too, psyche-ether's use, to boot. One thing that grates, frankly, on the BF&S page was the almost apologetic explanation of what the Master meant. Granted, language is temporal and situational. Yet, that to which the Master alluded did not fade away (just as God did not die). So, see the next item, please.
Higgs? Yes, a lot of money has been (is being) spent to find out what we already know (there is something from the Bab about the new-born babe today knowing more than all of the scholars of His time --- applies today, given time, I'll explain). Again, it gets back to private versus public knowledge. The former is not illusory, by nature (in fact, it's more real than the latter). The latter is artifact-based (including language being used as a tool), as in, does not deal with essence.
And, the models that motivate the money being spent get re-inforced by the intelligent cosmos (small "c" used purposely). That is, what was found out was precisely what we were led to find out. Yet, the large truth is still there, ready for grasping. The main question is how this might come about. Consider: a future model, where the Great Undecidable nestles within and surrounds the computational - essentially, a wisely attuned quasi-empirical framework as the operational basis. Again, just a brief statement here; can discuss this ad infinitum.
Now, two paragraphs above, I suggested that we already know. Yes, that pertains to bringing back intuition into the equation. How this might be done will be a whole area of study and practice in itself. Perhaps, our main hope is that the BF, using the Master and more, can demonstrate efficacy (such as we will need) in establishing such (more than cognition).
---
So, considering that futurists can be listened to (with a grain of salt and more), why not have a section on the BF&S page dealing with the future. After all, the cosmologists have run amok already far beyond what their model can support (ah, how to explain this to them?). Perhaps, a more tempered viewpoint deserves some attention.
Remarks:
04/03/2015 -- This is a popular post. See NDEers for a bit of audacity.
09/30/2013 -- More of a technical nature.
08/08/2013 -- Perfection/Perfection.
08/04/2013 -- This is not to be construed as an off-site area for discussion of Wikipedia content. Rather, it's a blog with a Science/Religion flavor within the contexts mentioned in the Title written and maintained by the blogger representing only his viewpoint. There just happened to be a recent overlap of interest with an entry on a particular Talk page. Hey. In truth, this blog started since Wikipedia is not the platform for the content that this blog attempts to bring forth for discussion.
08/04/2013 -- Forgot to mention the Great Ether. Incidentally, the list of things to discuss is very long. Here is one thrown out in good spirit: Virgin Mary. But, once opening the door, it's hard to stop: Apple of the Eye of the Bab.
Modified: 04/03/2015
I did not expect to be back to this until 8/8 (Perfection squared; here's another type), however a comment left on the Baha'i Faith and Science Talk page provided an unexpected motivation. Rather than respond to the comment on the Talk page, I decided to do so here.
Firstly, the comment (in part - see discussion, below) from Anonymous (from Texas): ... But I also believe in prophecy. I have my own interpretations of Baha'i prophecies on science. I believe that what this page says about creation and nuclear power is true.... As for ether, I believe that Abdul Baha was referring to the Higgs boson. Transmutation of elements? I believe that refers to picotechnology and femtotechnology which are orders of magnitude smaller than nanotechnology. ...
Secondly, there are many things to discuss, in an audacious mode. Whether or not the topic gets attention by those doing "scholarly" work can be immaterial. I can put my finger on several examples where the peers did not understand some person who turned out to be right. But, more, it's a matter of concern for the individual (no group will stand in your stead when it's your time). This is brief, but we can say this: science, and knowledge, are far beyond what the current-day cohorts (of talent, drive -- in other words, on the largely-gifted side -- see the little thing about gallons, cups, handfuls) have wrapped within their mathematically-flavored sense of reality.
Thirdly, we have the Wiki policies to consider. That is not the platform for discussion or creatively expressed ideas. So, where is there such? Well, we could have a page off the BF&S to allow such. The Talk page has gotten a lot of use.
---
I like the use of "prophecy" and am assuming some notion of other ways of knowing. One onus for those of the BF'ers (or any who honor spirituality) would be to counter yokes that are all the time trying to encompass being (restrain it) into a bounded state. Mind you, an individual very well may constrain itself; that is a matter of choice (actually, it is counseled - but, against whose judgment is one to reflect for value?). It's more than a matter of constraints; any autodidact would easily show something to his/her peers, if they would listen (unfortunately, that is not the way of the world whose principle value resides within a committee who offers prizes -- we can discuss this, at length).
Yes, the BF&S page mentions a lot more than it did in 2005. That denotes progress. But, some of the words seem to dance around (almost tautological view of minerals being everywhere - as if this were life in the larger connotations), so as to not get dinged (?) by those who are virulently supportive of their modern views (some of which are more scientism than not - sometimes noted as Brights, here). So, the comment's take on the items is nice to see. We'll get back to this.
Ether? Yes, that is a problematic area; it's almost a litmus test to see if someone falls into hubris with their knowledge. Consider, too, psyche-ether's use, to boot. One thing that grates, frankly, on the BF&S page was the almost apologetic explanation of what the Master meant. Granted, language is temporal and situational. Yet, that to which the Master alluded did not fade away (just as God did not die). So, see the next item, please.
Higgs? Yes, a lot of money has been (is being) spent to find out what we already know (there is something from the Bab about the new-born babe today knowing more than all of the scholars of His time --- applies today, given time, I'll explain). Again, it gets back to private versus public knowledge. The former is not illusory, by nature (in fact, it's more real than the latter). The latter is artifact-based (including language being used as a tool), as in, does not deal with essence.
And, the models that motivate the money being spent get re-inforced by the intelligent cosmos (small "c" used purposely). That is, what was found out was precisely what we were led to find out. Yet, the large truth is still there, ready for grasping. The main question is how this might come about. Consider: a future model, where the Great Undecidable nestles within and surrounds the computational - essentially, a wisely attuned quasi-empirical framework as the operational basis. Again, just a brief statement here; can discuss this ad infinitum.
Now, two paragraphs above, I suggested that we already know. Yes, that pertains to bringing back intuition into the equation. How this might be done will be a whole area of study and practice in itself. Perhaps, our main hope is that the BF, using the Master and more, can demonstrate efficacy (such as we will need) in establishing such (more than cognition).
---
So, considering that futurists can be listened to (with a grain of salt and more), why not have a section on the BF&S page dealing with the future. After all, the cosmologists have run amok already far beyond what their model can support (ah, how to explain this to them?). Perhaps, a more tempered viewpoint deserves some attention.
Remarks:
04/03/2015 -- This is a popular post. See NDEers for a bit of audacity.
09/30/2013 -- More of a technical nature.
08/08/2013 -- Perfection/Perfection.
08/04/2013 -- This is not to be construed as an off-site area for discussion of Wikipedia content. Rather, it's a blog with a Science/Religion flavor within the contexts mentioned in the Title written and maintained by the blogger representing only his viewpoint. There just happened to be a recent overlap of interest with an entry on a particular Talk page. Hey. In truth, this blog started since Wikipedia is not the platform for the content that this blog attempts to bring forth for discussion.
08/04/2013 -- Forgot to mention the Great Ether. Incidentally, the list of things to discuss is very long. Here is one thrown out in good spirit: Virgin Mary. But, once opening the door, it's hard to stop: Apple of the Eye of the Bab.
Modified: 04/03/2015
Wednesday, January 19, 2011
The Master
Month, Day: 167, Honour, Loftiness (Grace)
Month, Day: 167, Sovereignty, Splendour (Justice)
There has been some discussion about what the Writings might mean for science and whether science has shown anything in the writings to be false. To wit: evolution and ether.
The issue, as stated in a paper: The problem of disharmony between scripture and science is rooted in an unwarranted misattribution of scriptural inerrancy.
There is much to discuss here, but the Aqdas sequence from #174 (about Abdu'l-Bahá's role infallibility) through #188 are apropos. Take, for instance, #182: Immerse yourselves in the ocean of My words, that ye may unravel its secrets, and discover all the pearls of wisdom that lie hid in its depths.
Does it not make a suggestion to us? As said before, science is never about infallibility. Too, what bit of textual material, constructed by humans (oh yes, that includes mathematics), subsumes creation?
Granted, some worldviews seem to think that they are complete. That is, the manner of expression seems to convey authoritative (pontificate) assurance. Yet do we not know that we cannot have completeness and consistency concurrently? There are many ways to describe this.
So, for now, putting evolution aside, we saw this remark by the Master in the SAQ (#48): If we wish to deny everything that is not sensible, then we must deny the realities which unquestionably exist. For example, ethereal matter is not sensible, though it has an undoubted existence. The power of attraction is not sensible, though it certainly exists. From what do we affirm these existences? From their signs. Thus this light is the vibration of that ethereal matter, and from this vibration we infer the existence of ether.
As mentioned in an earlier post, the Master knew what he was talking about. Light is more than a physical phenomenon. It is one of the Attributes which are celebrated through the year.
The Master was the son of the Manifestation, thereby inheriting insights for which we have no understanding. Too, the Master knew that his audience was going to persist through time.
...
Remarks:
08/01/2012 --Ether, in a manner that is unavoidably true. Our task? Show how to handle the matter from a scientific (the wise interpretation, okay?) framework. And, audacity is not necessary.
03/17/2011 -- Just as St. Patrick carried the message, so too ought we act to bring forth a proper viewpoint.
01/25/2011 -- Continued in the next post.
Modified: 08/01/2012
Month, Day: 167, Sovereignty, Splendour (Justice)
There has been some discussion about what the Writings might mean for science and whether science has shown anything in the writings to be false. To wit: evolution and ether.
The issue, as stated in a paper: The problem of disharmony between scripture and science is rooted in an unwarranted misattribution of scriptural inerrancy.
There is much to discuss here, but the Aqdas sequence from #174 (about Abdu'l-Bahá's role infallibility) through #188 are apropos. Take, for instance, #182: Immerse yourselves in the ocean of My words, that ye may unravel its secrets, and discover all the pearls of wisdom that lie hid in its depths.
Does it not make a suggestion to us? As said before, science is never about infallibility. Too, what bit of textual material, constructed by humans (oh yes, that includes mathematics), subsumes creation?
Granted, some worldviews seem to think that they are complete. That is, the manner of expression seems to convey authoritative (pontificate) assurance. Yet do we not know that we cannot have completeness and consistency concurrently? There are many ways to describe this.
So, for now, putting evolution aside, we saw this remark by the Master in the SAQ (#48): If we wish to deny everything that is not sensible, then we must deny the realities which unquestionably exist. For example, ethereal matter is not sensible, though it has an undoubted existence. The power of attraction is not sensible, though it certainly exists. From what do we affirm these existences? From their signs. Thus this light is the vibration of that ethereal matter, and from this vibration we infer the existence of ether.
As mentioned in an earlier post, the Master knew what he was talking about. Light is more than a physical phenomenon. It is one of the Attributes which are celebrated through the year.
The Master was the son of the Manifestation, thereby inheriting insights for which we have no understanding. Too, the Master knew that his audience was going to persist through time.
...
Remarks:
08/01/2012 --Ether, in a manner that is unavoidably true. Our task? Show how to handle the matter from a scientific (the wise interpretation, okay?) framework. And, audacity is not necessary.
03/17/2011 -- Just as St. Patrick carried the message, so too ought we act to bring forth a proper viewpoint.
01/25/2011 -- Continued in the next post.
Modified: 08/01/2012
Wednesday, January 25, 2012
George's lessons
Month, Day: 168, Sovereignty, Words (Justice)
As we mentioned some from the past, namely Blaise and Immanuel, last time, we can also add George (the first) as he was in the real arenas of action (yes, not ivory-towered -- sorry, intellectuals -- George was a farmer, military officer, political office holder, and more); too, he was held in the highest esteem by his peers; yet, he rejected the thought that he could be crowned (ah, has not a journalist (Margaret Kimberley) depicted the current holder of George's office with a crown?). We cannot give enough credit to George for stepping down (how many want to grasp the ring of kinghood? -- peoples, it's a sign of immaturity).
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As well, George was an autodidact. He may have been born into the order (or, as much of one [as possible] for those who ventured across the pond leaving behind what they knew [very old, yet unstable, order] for a bunch of unknowns [some of which would be the negative effect on the native population]), yet situations kept him from becoming part of the order (probably, fortunate for us). His schooling was limited since he was not able to get back to England at the time. He was tutored over [here] in Virginia (long way from Harvard, by the way -- but, that would have ruined him for us -- can explain). His family associations gave him the opportunity to explore and measure the new country. His physique, and health, was sufficient to help him evolve into leadership.
Through all that, he never succumbed to the classist nature of the aristocracy. In fact, his military subordinates were quite taken with the guy. By the way, his day of remembrance is coming up soon. Too, he was 100 years, like Immanuel, prior to the Manifestation (we'll get back to that).
There is a whole lot more to say, but let's leave it for later.
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Recognizing the importance of George is not wrong. Staying apolitical (which goes with the Faith) does not imply being ignorant of what's going on or what has happened. One still has responsibility to vote; as well, being a good citizen is essential.
By the way, George had royal blood by several ancestors; from where we sit, he was much better than any of the George Ns (where N runs from "I" upward - of particular interest here, England).
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So, with George as inspiration, we're going to venture some thoughts. That is, we're going to go into an audacious mode and discuss a few topics over the next few months from a learned position (lifetime of study). These topics are the following (in no manner is to be considered a closed list): there is energy which we need to account for that is related to mind (how to do this?) which is a human trait; psych-ether is how I've characterized some of the dynamics, after dreams of discussions with Albert (yes, ether, as the Master said -- connotations, people -- its measurement will have to different than that which has been conceptualized and attempted -- failed to be observed, as we all know); the importance of dreams (Valley of Wonderment) as a filtered acquisition method (ah, how to overcome the inherent personal nature of this thing?); perhaps, biological receptors, and computers (you see, we've already seen how to use Light, though we have a lot more to learn) that are living things; again, Being is never expressed properly with mathematics (rather, it squishes out the living essence - or pushes it outside of the realm of the discourse -- yet, Being is beyond Words, to boot -- numeracy can be a bane -- plague -- on us); what might be termed reflection about the Revelation (where we can look back at George and the other greats -- they're still of the above-mentioned energy); Stephen says there is no need for God in his (their) model (propose where that model's deficiency leads to the negative prognostications of late -- abandon God's footstool?); ... ; last, but not least, how symmetry will help balance the views of Science and Religion.
Remarks:
08/01/2012 --Ether, in a manner that is unavoidably true. Our task? Show how to handle the matter from a scientific (the wise interpretation, okay?) framework. And, audacity is not necessary.
04/14/2012 -- Thornton Chase is an example of several things that will be discussed this year.
01/26/2012 -- Rather than start another post right now, more on the AE message: similar to how we dream up some operator (i -- thanks, Leonhard - 100 years) which is effective (complex numbers) and very much related to the method in manifold theory (computationally, differential geometry, by the way, explains the source, and some perturbations, of cognitive imbalances) that allows us to operate with linear extensions, we can bound a human (and, it's not exactly Hilbertian! -- thanks, David) with an existential framework that spans all worlds (look at the Writings - actually, it applies, too, with the small, atomic entities, of which we'll an aggregation -- call it, Plato-motivated, but that would be not be entirely right) and that will be much beneficial to resolving all sorts of problems (showing the power of symmetry not brought forth as of yet -- to my knowledge). And, it'll be partly mathematical. ... Incidentally, filters were mentioned. In part, a trained mind/intuition will be required (ultimate choice from the U.H.J. - to be described).
01/25/2012 -- As with all of the entrants into the American continent who were of European birth, there will be interactions with the Native population that might need to be studied within the context suggested by audacity (how? unknown). George did have a nickname that he got from his grandfather's actions.
Modified: 08/01/2012
As we mentioned some from the past, namely Blaise and Immanuel, last time, we can also add George (the first) as he was in the real arenas of action (yes, not ivory-towered -- sorry, intellectuals -- George was a farmer, military officer, political office holder, and more); too, he was held in the highest esteem by his peers; yet, he rejected the thought that he could be crowned (ah, has not a journalist (Margaret Kimberley) depicted the current holder of George's office with a crown?). We cannot give enough credit to George for stepping down (how many want to grasp the ring of kinghood? -- peoples, it's a sign of immaturity).
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As well, George was an autodidact. He may have been born into the order (or, as much of one [as possible] for those who ventured across the pond leaving behind what they knew [very old, yet unstable, order] for a bunch of unknowns [some of which would be the negative effect on the native population]), yet situations kept him from becoming part of the order (probably, fortunate for us). His schooling was limited since he was not able to get back to England at the time. He was tutored over [here] in Virginia (long way from Harvard, by the way -- but, that would have ruined him for us -- can explain). His family associations gave him the opportunity to explore and measure the new country. His physique, and health, was sufficient to help him evolve into leadership.
Through all that, he never succumbed to the classist nature of the aristocracy. In fact, his military subordinates were quite taken with the guy. By the way, his day of remembrance is coming up soon. Too, he was 100 years, like Immanuel, prior to the Manifestation (we'll get back to that).
There is a whole lot more to say, but let's leave it for later.
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Recognizing the importance of George is not wrong. Staying apolitical (which goes with the Faith) does not imply being ignorant of what's going on or what has happened. One still has responsibility to vote; as well, being a good citizen is essential.
By the way, George had royal blood by several ancestors; from where we sit, he was much better than any of the George Ns (where N runs from "I" upward - of particular interest here, England).
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So, with George as inspiration, we're going to venture some thoughts. That is, we're going to go into an audacious mode and discuss a few topics over the next few months from a learned position (lifetime of study). These topics are the following (in no manner is to be considered a closed list): there is energy which we need to account for that is related to mind (how to do this?) which is a human trait; psych-ether is how I've characterized some of the dynamics, after dreams of discussions with Albert (yes, ether, as the Master said -- connotations, people -- its measurement will have to different than that which has been conceptualized and attempted -- failed to be observed, as we all know); the importance of dreams (Valley of Wonderment) as a filtered acquisition method (ah, how to overcome the inherent personal nature of this thing?); perhaps, biological receptors, and computers (you see, we've already seen how to use Light, though we have a lot more to learn) that are living things; again, Being is never expressed properly with mathematics (rather, it squishes out the living essence - or pushes it outside of the realm of the discourse -- yet, Being is beyond Words, to boot -- numeracy can be a bane -- plague -- on us); what might be termed reflection about the Revelation (where we can look back at George and the other greats -- they're still of the above-mentioned energy); Stephen says there is no need for God in his (their) model (propose where that model's deficiency leads to the negative prognostications of late -- abandon God's footstool?); ... ; last, but not least, how symmetry will help balance the views of Science and Religion.
Remarks:
08/01/2012 --Ether, in a manner that is unavoidably true. Our task? Show how to handle the matter from a scientific (the wise interpretation, okay?) framework. And, audacity is not necessary.
04/14/2012 -- Thornton Chase is an example of several things that will be discussed this year.
01/26/2012 -- Rather than start another post right now, more on the AE message: similar to how we dream up some operator (i -- thanks, Leonhard - 100 years) which is effective (complex numbers) and very much related to the method in manifold theory (computationally, differential geometry, by the way, explains the source, and some perturbations, of cognitive imbalances) that allows us to operate with linear extensions, we can bound a human (and, it's not exactly Hilbertian! -- thanks, David) with an existential framework that spans all worlds (look at the Writings - actually, it applies, too, with the small, atomic entities, of which we'll an aggregation -- call it, Plato-motivated, but that would be not be entirely right) and that will be much beneficial to resolving all sorts of problems (showing the power of symmetry not brought forth as of yet -- to my knowledge). And, it'll be partly mathematical. ... Incidentally, filters were mentioned. In part, a trained mind/intuition will be required (ultimate choice from the U.H.J. - to be described).
01/25/2012 -- As with all of the entrants into the American continent who were of European birth, there will be interactions with the Native population that might need to be studied within the context suggested by audacity (how? unknown). George did have a nickname that he got from his grandfather's actions.
Modified: 08/01/2012
Tuesday, January 25, 2011
Basic matters, i
Month, Day: 167, Sovereignty, Words (Grace)
This continues the discussion, started in the last post, about what the Writings might mean for science and whether science has shown anything in the Writings to be false. To wit: evolution and ether. The motivation? Apologetic stances, from certain positions, that are unnecessary.
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There has to be some attention put upon the context. For instance, the Master (hereinafter, M2) is the son of the Manifestation (hereinafter, M1); the M1 appearance is a cyclic phenomenon of a period of about 1000 years. Hence, M2, by definition and realization, would have cognitive, to use the modern parlance, and other abilities of which we can only imagine.
Too, the whole cyclic theme accompanies increasing abilities (obviously observable - what is controversial? from whence this?). Let's just leave it there, for now.
Now, 'ether' has many connotations, one of which was used by the physicists in their tests. Yet, is not Light an attribute? But, did it play in the scheme? Well, we'll leave that, for now, too.
Consider advances such as those that allow us to know how to 'lift' content (however described, even though geometrically (via algebra) is the state of the art) from one space into another of a higher-order, again we'll use dimensional, for now. As, whatever mathematics lifts out is a metaphor for something, in many cases ('abstract nonsense' may be more than mere diatribe cast'd by the ignorant).
We do have this notion that something needs to be computational (either by offering insight or by being operationally effective), perhaps that relates to the emphasis on action in the Writings of M1. After all, does not the Koran say that God is the most speedy reckoner of all those who reckon (paraphrase, of course)? What M1 brought was the condition, of the current times, that allows us the potential for the artificial reckoner of unknown boundedness (see the 4th Valley: The first is His statement: “O My Servant! Obey Me and I shall make thee like unto Myself. I say ‘Be,’ and it is, and thou shalt say ‘Be,’ and it shall be.” ).
Hint here, folks! Some already point to 'dark energy' and other factors (equation'als) that fudge the system into convergence. And, there are many of these, as that is the key to the technique. The cleverness relates directly to that which allows the lift.
At which point will God (as neither the lifter nor that which is lifted) be accepted so that the insights can grow in the directions that will be required?
As an aside, Lamark was drummed out of town. Know what? Many of the techniques that relate to naturally-framed computational approaches use methods that are not unlike the basic notion of Lamark. Oh course, who cares as it's only within the abstracted, and for the most part unseen, virtual spaces associated with computational states, and the decisions thereof.
Why mention this? There is no means possible for M2 to be thus drummed. Now, does that mean that we can compute anything in the Writings? Well, M1, and M2, did not use mathematics. Ever think of why (hint! quasi-empiricism)?
So, we can continue to attend to M2's comments related to evolution, recapitulation, et al, in a spirit 'lifting' manner.
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Remarks:
05/26/2011 -- A 'super' position can have merit.
04/04/2011 -- We'll be looking at things like foreknowledge.
03/17/2011 -- Just as St. Patrick carried the message, so too ought we act to bring forth a proper viewpoint.
03/11/2011 -- Teleological (Mercy), Operational (Names)
02/24/2011 -- Continuation of the theme.
01/25/2011 -- Note, please, that the continuances of the discussion will use concepts, such as the above, to illustrate how being (as in, to be) is squished via projections (somewhat, an inverse of the lift), trampled by lifts, and just all around abused. That is problematic and counter to a more full science.
Modified: 05/26/2011
This continues the discussion, started in the last post, about what the Writings might mean for science and whether science has shown anything in the Writings to be false. To wit: evolution and ether. The motivation? Apologetic stances, from certain positions, that are unnecessary.
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There has to be some attention put upon the context. For instance, the Master (hereinafter, M2) is the son of the Manifestation (hereinafter, M1); the M1 appearance is a cyclic phenomenon of a period of about 1000 years. Hence, M2, by definition and realization, would have cognitive, to use the modern parlance, and other abilities of which we can only imagine.
Too, the whole cyclic theme accompanies increasing abilities (obviously observable - what is controversial? from whence this?). Let's just leave it there, for now.
Now, 'ether' has many connotations, one of which was used by the physicists in their tests. Yet, is not Light an attribute? But, did it play in the scheme? Well, we'll leave that, for now, too.
Consider advances such as those that allow us to know how to 'lift' content (however described, even though geometrically (via algebra) is the state of the art) from one space into another of a higher-order, again we'll use dimensional, for now. As, whatever mathematics lifts out is a metaphor for something, in many cases ('abstract nonsense' may be more than mere diatribe cast'd by the ignorant).
We do have this notion that something needs to be computational (either by offering insight or by being operationally effective), perhaps that relates to the emphasis on action in the Writings of M1. After all, does not the Koran say that God is the most speedy reckoner of all those who reckon (paraphrase, of course)? What M1 brought was the condition, of the current times, that allows us the potential for the artificial reckoner of unknown boundedness (see the 4th Valley: The first is His statement: “O My Servant! Obey Me and I shall make thee like unto Myself. I say ‘Be,’ and it is, and thou shalt say ‘Be,’ and it shall be.” ).
Hint here, folks! Some already point to 'dark energy' and other factors (equation'als) that fudge the system into convergence. And, there are many of these, as that is the key to the technique. The cleverness relates directly to that which allows the lift.
At which point will God (as neither the lifter nor that which is lifted) be accepted so that the insights can grow in the directions that will be required?
As an aside, Lamark was drummed out of town. Know what? Many of the techniques that relate to naturally-framed computational approaches use methods that are not unlike the basic notion of Lamark. Oh course, who cares as it's only within the abstracted, and for the most part unseen, virtual spaces associated with computational states, and the decisions thereof.
Why mention this? There is no means possible for M2 to be thus drummed. Now, does that mean that we can compute anything in the Writings? Well, M1, and M2, did not use mathematics. Ever think of why (hint! quasi-empiricism)?
So, we can continue to attend to M2's comments related to evolution, recapitulation, et al, in a spirit 'lifting' manner.
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Remarks:
05/26/2011 -- A 'super' position can have merit.
04/04/2011 -- We'll be looking at things like foreknowledge.
03/17/2011 -- Just as St. Patrick carried the message, so too ought we act to bring forth a proper viewpoint.
03/11/2011 -- Teleological (Mercy), Operational (Names)
02/24/2011 -- Continuation of the theme.
01/25/2011 -- Note, please, that the continuances of the discussion will use concepts, such as the above, to illustrate how being (as in, to be) is squished via projections (somewhat, an inverse of the lift), trampled by lifts, and just all around abused. That is problematic and counter to a more full science.
Modified: 05/26/2011
Wednesday, January 16, 2008
Economics
Month, Day: Honour, Sovereignty (Justice)
There are several watchwords, such as moderation. HW #I-82 says it, too: " O MY SERVANT! The best of men are they that earn a livelihood by their calling and spend upon themselves and upon their kindred for the love of God, the Lord of all worlds."
So an economy is essential to human affairs. How that economy needs to look needs some discussion. But, the current gaming attitude of the capitalists' market strategy, especially those related to modern instruments that are valued by myth, are suspect.
As does any matter, money has spirit. Yet, that part of money solely encapsulated in bits that come and go through circuity and the ether is not of the same ilk.
Remarks:
10/04/2010 -- Friction can beget progress.
10/30/2009 -- Much injustice is economic in nature.
09/12/2009 -- Economics requires additional attention.
08/20/2008 -- As mentioned in Names on, modern methods rush things forward, but they can go awry easily to boot. Fortunately, for any mainstream gush, there are those who see better as they're away from the froth which can help, for one thing, to get things back on track when the time comes. That money ought to have some physical foundation, beyond just paper/ink or coin, needs to be shown - one necessity will be the proper mathematical framework (which will include but not be driven by gaming [oops, game theory]).
Modified: 10/04/2010
There are several watchwords, such as moderation. HW #I-82 says it, too: " O MY SERVANT! The best of men are they that earn a livelihood by their calling and spend upon themselves and upon their kindred for the love of God, the Lord of all worlds."
So an economy is essential to human affairs. How that economy needs to look needs some discussion. But, the current gaming attitude of the capitalists' market strategy, especially those related to modern instruments that are valued by myth, are suspect.
As does any matter, money has spirit. Yet, that part of money solely encapsulated in bits that come and go through circuity and the ether is not of the same ilk.
Remarks:
10/04/2010 -- Friction can beget progress.
10/30/2009 -- Much injustice is economic in nature.
09/12/2009 -- Economics requires additional attention.
08/20/2008 -- As mentioned in Names on, modern methods rush things forward, but they can go awry easily to boot. Fortunately, for any mainstream gush, there are those who see better as they're away from the froth which can help, for one thing, to get things back on track when the time comes. That money ought to have some physical foundation, beyond just paper/ink or coin, needs to be shown - one necessity will be the proper mathematical framework (which will include but not be driven by gaming [oops, game theory]).
Modified: 10/04/2010
Tuesday, November 25, 2008
7 Valleys: Contentment, Wonderment
Month, Day: Speech, Grandeur (Justice)
Continuing with the series on the 7 Valleys that has these four entries.
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Contentment --Contentment says "only heart to heart."
Wonderment --
This is another BIG Valley. Dreams! Along with the model alluded to in these posts is a new way to look at these experiences that can make sense in daily life. We can, many of us, cite interpretation and experience mappings to our own dreams that can occur just on waking, or a few minutes later, or even a few hours to days, all the way to a few years.
01/25/2012 -- Yes, still at it. Ready to be more audacious. What we're looking for has to do with mind; at some point, it will be allowed by science that we can observe effects (actually, predict, to boot - one step forward will be a more insightful mathematics).
06/05/2009 -- Light very much is something to study in this context.
Modified: 01/25/2012
Continuing with the series on the 7 Valleys that has these four entries.
- Search, Love
- Knowledge, Unity
- Contentment, Wonderment
- True Poverty and Absolute Nothingness
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Contentment --Contentment says "only heart to heart."
- What does this say about the markings that we use to converse about our findings?
- Hence, do we have to let the message be between the lines?
- Too many "inner significances" there for any elucidation, even though some views adamantly deny these.
Wonderment --
This is another BIG Valley. Dreams! Along with the model alluded to in these posts is a new way to look at these experiences that can make sense in daily life. We can, many of us, cite interpretation and experience mappings to our own dreams that can occur just on waking, or a few minutes later, or even a few hours to days, all the way to a few years.
- Audacity says to be so bold as to propose the model due to reinforcement via this sign (one of the "signs in men, to the end that philosophers may not deny the mysteries of the life beyond nor belittle that which hath been promised them.")
- Yes. we must, and can, believe.
- What is there, in terms of attitude, that could be called more scientific?
01/25/2012 -- Yes, still at it. Ready to be more audacious. What we're looking for has to do with mind; at some point, it will be allowed by science that we can observe effects (actually, predict, to boot - one step forward will be a more insightful mathematics).
06/05/2009 -- Light very much is something to study in this context.
Modified: 01/25/2012
Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Names and more
Month, Day: 169, Names, Beauty (Justice)
100 years ago, the Master was still up in verdant New England. Coming up is commemorating the jaunt up to Canada and then out west to the country of the big skies and large prominences.
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After Questions, Names is a favorite month for many reasons. About Questions, think sensors, et al, that are necessary for functioning within an environment. How could anything know states, etc., without queries? Now, Names, within the contexts related to modern dilemmas of science? Ah, let us count the ways.
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What's in name? The use of ether gives many grief, it seems. The Master said that it wasn't sensible. So, even our artificial sensors would not detect that about which He was talking. Recall, Light is an attribute. One can wonder about the events that will lead up to a more full science and about how long this will take.
The year is 2800; the Manifestation will be appearing soon. Science and engineering has us bound into the spiraling depths of materialism. Unless, of course, the above-mentioned series of events has already taken place. Temporally, we may be talking about the time of the pre-awakening, such as we saw with the 200 years or so prior to the mid-1800s.
Remarks:
08/22/2012 --
Modified: 08/022/2012
100 years ago, the Master was still up in verdant New England. Coming up is commemorating the jaunt up to Canada and then out west to the country of the big skies and large prominences.
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After Questions, Names is a favorite month for many reasons. About Questions, think sensors, et al, that are necessary for functioning within an environment. How could anything know states, etc., without queries? Now, Names, within the contexts related to modern dilemmas of science? Ah, let us count the ways.
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What's in name? The use of ether gives many grief, it seems. The Master said that it wasn't sensible. So, even our artificial sensors would not detect that about which He was talking. Recall, Light is an attribute. One can wonder about the events that will lead up to a more full science and about how long this will take.
The year is 2800; the Manifestation will be appearing soon. Science and engineering has us bound into the spiraling depths of materialism. Unless, of course, the above-mentioned series of events has already taken place. Temporally, we may be talking about the time of the pre-awakening, such as we saw with the 200 years or so prior to the mid-1800s.
Remarks:
08/22/2012 --
Modified: 08/022/2012
Thursday, June 11, 2009
Science and the Manifestations
Month, Day: Light, Words (Majesty)
An example of how our use of light has abounded, in so many ways beyond just the prowess with electromagnetics, is Facebook (500+ Baha'i references). There have been discussion forums galore, since the internet's inception, what with Usenet, et al. This latest may be the largest collective, though, which is only just begun (Carpenters).
Baha'i Faith and Science's (Wikipedia) discussion page had a brief interchange about whether the Writings are propositionally complete. Well, the Incompleteness Theorem may suggest not; yet, we have the larger piece of evidence in that the Manifestations recur regularly. Too, we're told that limits are imposed judiciously by the hosts (angelic and otherwise).
Hence, we need to know that there is no axiomatic set that would found the new audacious view; at least, not in total, but there may be (are) operational subsets that will be (are) of much interest. Who is looking at this?
What we have now after the latest Revelation is the Manifestation as the paragon, the Writings as the evidence, and the Administration as the workable covering scheme. It's that first that we need to look at more closely, in term of the audacity that is required.
That is, the influence via the axioms may be insignificant compared to that of the rules, definitions, and milieu that relate to the Manifestation's importance.
From the Facebook page, PUP, pg 128: "... religion must be in conformity to science and reason. If a religion does not agree with the postulates of science nor accord with the regulations of reason it is a bundle of superstitions; a phantasm of the brain. Science and religion are realities, and if that religion to which we adhere be a reality it must needs conform to the fundamental reality of all things."
We will look more closely at 'postulates of science' and 'regulations of reason' in the context of this post, using, of course, discussion of how we know and raise Questions.
Remarks:
08/01/2012 --Ether, in a manner that is unavoidably true. Our task? Show how to handle the matter from a scientific (the wise interpretation, okay?) framework. And, audacity is not necessary.
03/17/2011 -- Just as St. Patrick carried the message, so too ought we act to bring forth a proper viewpoint.
08/05/2009 -- We'll look at SAQ #37 more in the context of how the Teleological influences.
07/19/2009 -- From the beginning.
06/22/2009 -- We can know.
Modified: 08/01/2012
An example of how our use of light has abounded, in so many ways beyond just the prowess with electromagnetics, is Facebook (500+ Baha'i references). There have been discussion forums galore, since the internet's inception, what with Usenet, et al. This latest may be the largest collective, though, which is only just begun (Carpenters).
Baha'i Faith and Science's (Wikipedia) discussion page had a brief interchange about whether the Writings are propositionally complete. Well, the Incompleteness Theorem may suggest not; yet, we have the larger piece of evidence in that the Manifestations recur regularly. Too, we're told that limits are imposed judiciously by the hosts (angelic and otherwise).
Hence, we need to know that there is no axiomatic set that would found the new audacious view; at least, not in total, but there may be (are) operational subsets that will be (are) of much interest. Who is looking at this?
What we have now after the latest Revelation is the Manifestation as the paragon, the Writings as the evidence, and the Administration as the workable covering scheme. It's that first that we need to look at more closely, in term of the audacity that is required.
That is, the influence via the axioms may be insignificant compared to that of the rules, definitions, and milieu that relate to the Manifestation's importance.
From the Facebook page, PUP, pg 128: "... religion must be in conformity to science and reason. If a religion does not agree with the postulates of science nor accord with the regulations of reason it is a bundle of superstitions; a phantasm of the brain. Science and religion are realities, and if that religion to which we adhere be a reality it must needs conform to the fundamental reality of all things."
We will look more closely at 'postulates of science' and 'regulations of reason' in the context of this post, using, of course, discussion of how we know and raise Questions.
Remarks:
08/01/2012 --Ether, in a manner that is unavoidably true. Our task? Show how to handle the matter from a scientific (the wise interpretation, okay?) framework. And, audacity is not necessary.
03/17/2011 -- Just as St. Patrick carried the message, so too ought we act to bring forth a proper viewpoint.
08/05/2009 -- We'll look at SAQ #37 more in the context of how the Teleological influences.
07/19/2009 -- From the beginning.
06/22/2009 -- We can know.
Modified: 08/01/2012
Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Only in California (left coast)
Month, Day: 169, Might, Loftiness (Justice)
Actually, could say, only in the West.
We'll collect some of Mahmud's quotes here.
Remarks:
10/31/2012 -- It's interesting that the Master spent less than a month in California which is small compared to the total US time. In California, there was less time spent in LA than in SF. So, is it that the less time denotes better spirituality and being? LA reminded the Master of the Holy Land.
10/17/2012 -- Spirit and matter. Did they listen? He used 'electricity' (its spiritual reality, why not ether?). There was one mention by Mahmud that seemed awful close to (analogous to) thermodynamics (the understanding, and definition, of which was coincidental with the Master's time).
10/13/2012 -- Mahmud's diary on-line. Stops December, 1912.
10/09/2012 -- Talks to students (such as, at Stanford) have special meaning for us.
Modified: 10/31/2012
Actually, could say, only in the West.
We'll collect some of Mahmud's quotes here.
- Donner party mentioned. Crossing that pass in the winter reminds us that the elements can, easily, outdo us. Our engineering prowess saves (or can save) the day.
- Speaking of which (engineering), the grandeur found in the western realm are noteworthy. Yet, man-produced marvels abound, to boot. My ancestors were involved with the technical (ah, I know. one can't do anything without funds and money --- yet, it's know how, and ability, that is the key) aspects of the transcontinental railroad.
- Message, again. We saw this before, in Boston, just before the western trip.
- Alfresco dining. One can just think of those 'prominent' ones strutting about, in their finery, within structures, with little regard for the natural world outside of the walls. Now, any rational person would prefer the outdoor situation which can be as elegantly set up.
- Thornton Chase (of the West).
- We'll close the list with Chapter XIX of God Passes By. We're still in the period of the western loop which was followed by a period in New York and DC. Then, there was a return to Europe. After looking, again, at the visit to this continent, it'll be interesting to get familiar with the other parts of the trip. Are there diaries such as we found with the US tour?
Remarks:
10/31/2012 -- It's interesting that the Master spent less than a month in California which is small compared to the total US time. In California, there was less time spent in LA than in SF. So, is it that the less time denotes better spirituality and being? LA reminded the Master of the Holy Land.
10/17/2012 -- Spirit and matter. Did they listen? He used 'electricity' (its spiritual reality, why not ether?). There was one mention by Mahmud that seemed awful close to (analogous to) thermodynamics (the understanding, and definition, of which was coincidental with the Master's time).
10/13/2012 -- Mahmud's diary on-line. Stops December, 1912.
10/09/2012 -- Talks to students (such as, at Stanford) have special meaning for us.
Modified: 10/31/2012
Thursday, January 24, 2008
Dust to dust
Month, Day: Sovereignty, Mercy (Majesty)
We may continue with a few questions and commentary, based upon the Hidden Words, for awhile.
Hidden Word #74 says: " O CHILDREN OF VAINGLORY! For a fleeting sovereignty ye have abandoned My imperishable dominion, and have adorned yourselves with the gay livery of the world and made of it your boast. By My beauty! All will I gather beneath the one-colored covering of the dust and efface all these diverse colors save them that choose My own, and that is purging from every color."
This applies to many things about our choices, including economy, and money, which we know is essential to any advancing civilization. The 20th century saw us remove money from any attachment to things material, supposedly as a step of advancement. One question is whether this may have gone too far and opened up the door to recent, and past, shenanigans.
Taking that further, money would have spirit that is tied to the material; nowadays, we're talking mostly ephemeral bits flowing via electro-magnetic properties through the ether (in the proper sense - to be defined) and through circuity; not far from being rather illusory.
How do we measure ourselves and our assets (including good works, products, etc.), which we are to do daily? Of course, such measures would include those related to economics, especially in terms of taking care of ourselves, family, and community.
Is it that we're not to fear an accumulation of wealth if we have the right perspective? So many questions?
Remarks:
10/04/2010 -- Friction can beget progress. Too, though, as excessive weight is not good for the physical health, too much moolah can be (is) detrimental to a proper spiritual view. Ah, some will argue not; yet, with hugh accumulations, how does one escape the psychetheral aspects? Not!! As well, the concept of 'simple living' (no, not vow of poverty - per se) needs some attention as a means to argue for just economics.
09/13/2009 -- Economics requires additional attention.
Modified: 10/04/2010
We may continue with a few questions and commentary, based upon the Hidden Words, for awhile.
Hidden Word #74 says: " O CHILDREN OF VAINGLORY! For a fleeting sovereignty ye have abandoned My imperishable dominion, and have adorned yourselves with the gay livery of the world and made of it your boast. By My beauty! All will I gather beneath the one-colored covering of the dust and efface all these diverse colors save them that choose My own, and that is purging from every color."
This applies to many things about our choices, including economy, and money, which we know is essential to any advancing civilization. The 20th century saw us remove money from any attachment to things material, supposedly as a step of advancement. One question is whether this may have gone too far and opened up the door to recent, and past, shenanigans.
Taking that further, money would have spirit that is tied to the material; nowadays, we're talking mostly ephemeral bits flowing via electro-magnetic properties through the ether (in the proper sense - to be defined) and through circuity; not far from being rather illusory.
How do we measure ourselves and our assets (including good works, products, etc.), which we are to do daily? Of course, such measures would include those related to economics, especially in terms of taking care of ourselves, family, and community.
Is it that we're not to fear an accumulation of wealth if we have the right perspective? So many questions?
Remarks:
10/04/2010 -- Friction can beget progress. Too, though, as excessive weight is not good for the physical health, too much moolah can be (is) detrimental to a proper spiritual view. Ah, some will argue not; yet, with hugh accumulations, how does one escape the psychetheral aspects? Not!! As well, the concept of 'simple living' (no, not vow of poverty - per se) needs some attention as a means to argue for just economics.
09/13/2009 -- Economics requires additional attention.
Modified: 10/04/2010
Sunday, July 29, 2012
Model and power
Month, Day: 169, Words, Sovereignty (Beauty)
Coming up is Perfection, where the eight months' start coincides. Interesting.
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Several things, such as seeing the Middle Way counseled, observing that the success of the quantum model is being used for extrapolations (albeit without due regard for the quasi-empirical issues), and much more, bring up a few audacious notions. In terms of the Middle Way, we have the counsel of remembrance and of reflection (implying handling past and present in order to consider the future). Then, we have types of sufficiency that can be argued (we'll get there).
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We'll have to review the onset of the current success (and just prior) in order to establish the platform for discussion. Motivation is several-fold which we'll get into as we go along. Necessity? Obvious!
Remarks:
08/01/2012 --Ether, in a manner that is unavoidably true. Our task? Show how to handle the matter from a scientific (the wise interpretation, okay?) framework. And, audacity is not necessary.
Modified: 08/01/2012
Coming up is Perfection, where the eight months' start coincides. Interesting.
---
Several things, such as seeing the Middle Way counseled, observing that the success of the quantum model is being used for extrapolations (albeit without due regard for the quasi-empirical issues), and much more, bring up a few audacious notions. In terms of the Middle Way, we have the counsel of remembrance and of reflection (implying handling past and present in order to consider the future). Then, we have types of sufficiency that can be argued (we'll get there).
---
We'll have to review the onset of the current success (and just prior) in order to establish the platform for discussion. Motivation is several-fold which we'll get into as we go along. Necessity? Obvious!
Remarks:
08/01/2012 --Ether, in a manner that is unavoidably true. Our task? Show how to handle the matter from a scientific (the wise interpretation, okay?) framework. And, audacity is not necessary.
Modified: 08/01/2012
Monday, November 3, 2008
Knowledge and Power
Month, Day: Knowledge, Loftiness (Perfection)
Several recent changes to the Wiki page exhibit audacity. The added topics were: Creation, Nuclear power, and Transmutation of elements. These three joined the former triad of Evolution, Existence of ether, and Life on other planets.
As we know, many things need review in a search for describing sufficiency sufficiently, a difficult, but not impossible, task.
SAQ #65: ... the foundation of success and salvation is the knowledge of God ...
Several potential aspects related to technological development need some attention: borgs (humans augmented with the artificial), clones (humans duplicated, and perhaps, augmented), ...
Several recent changes to the Wiki page exhibit audacity. The added topics were: Creation, Nuclear power, and Transmutation of elements. These three joined the former triad of Evolution, Existence of ether, and Life on other planets.
As we know, many things need review in a search for describing sufficiency sufficiently, a difficult, but not impossible, task.
SAQ #65: ... the foundation of success and salvation is the knowledge of God ...
Several potential aspects related to technological development need some attention: borgs (humans augmented with the artificial), clones (humans duplicated, and perhaps, augmented), ...
Monday, February 1, 2010
Eons and eons
Month, Day: 166, Sovereignty, Speech (Perfection)
Month, Day: 166, Sovereignty, Sovereignty (Majesty)
One thing that audacity will bring is that teleology has a firm BASIS.
Now, when we consider the modern views of science, with its mathematical framework, time is a major factor with huge dimensional impacts, even with the 'tricks' such as invoking Hilbert's notions. Yet, that hugeness does not stop speculation about interpretations even though such activities are, in a very strong sense, antithetical to what how 'science' defines itself.
Call the propensity fill in just part of human nature, if you will. Underdetermination remains a key issue, though.
Now, the thing that we need to show is that the Writings can provide needed insight. It's not clear how this will work since arguments descend to issues like whether propositional issues are handled and similar.
But, think of the continuing, and recurrent, influence, somehow, of the Manifestation over time on Creation, that is, the super-positioned. All sorts of things come to the imagination (which Albert extolled over knowledge).
Given that art can use modern techniques, brought to us by science and engineering, we see the emergence of better and better presentation, via movies and such (3D, animation, ...). After catching a glimpse of one dealing with dinosaurs, one can easily ponder an experiment gone wild. Hence, some type of 'tweak' was necessary to reduce size and attitude.
Of course, there is always the chance that the portrayal of a mean and aggressive attitude is founded in some part of the human psyche, that is, entirely laced with sentiments of social dwarinism (apologies to Charles).
Yet, the fact remains that the largest land animals, now, are not carnivores. And, the largest on the planet are water creatures.
Of course, this could be better described, however how the 'tweak' may occur is of interest and ought to be to science (that type of science which could allow such -- yes, there may very well be an operationally useful aspect to this).
Remarks:
08/01/2012 --Ether, in a manner that is unavoidably true. Our task? Show how to handle the matter from a scientific (the wise interpretation, okay?) framework. And, audacity is not necessary.
03/10/2010 -- A duty, know the Transcendent.
Modified: 08/01/2012
Month, Day: 166, Sovereignty, Sovereignty (Majesty)
One thing that audacity will bring is that teleology has a firm BASIS.
Now, when we consider the modern views of science, with its mathematical framework, time is a major factor with huge dimensional impacts, even with the 'tricks' such as invoking Hilbert's notions. Yet, that hugeness does not stop speculation about interpretations even though such activities are, in a very strong sense, antithetical to what how 'science' defines itself.
Call the propensity fill in just part of human nature, if you will. Underdetermination remains a key issue, though.
Now, the thing that we need to show is that the Writings can provide needed insight. It's not clear how this will work since arguments descend to issues like whether propositional issues are handled and similar.
But, think of the continuing, and recurrent, influence, somehow, of the Manifestation over time on Creation, that is, the super-positioned. All sorts of things come to the imagination (which Albert extolled over knowledge).
Given that art can use modern techniques, brought to us by science and engineering, we see the emergence of better and better presentation, via movies and such (3D, animation, ...). After catching a glimpse of one dealing with dinosaurs, one can easily ponder an experiment gone wild. Hence, some type of 'tweak' was necessary to reduce size and attitude.
Of course, there is always the chance that the portrayal of a mean and aggressive attitude is founded in some part of the human psyche, that is, entirely laced with sentiments of social dwarinism (apologies to Charles).
Yet, the fact remains that the largest land animals, now, are not carnivores. And, the largest on the planet are water creatures.
Of course, this could be better described, however how the 'tweak' may occur is of interest and ought to be to science (that type of science which could allow such -- yes, there may very well be an operationally useful aspect to this).
Remarks:
08/01/2012 --Ether, in a manner that is unavoidably true. Our task? Show how to handle the matter from a scientific (the wise interpretation, okay?) framework. And, audacity is not necessary.
03/10/2010 -- A duty, know the Transcendent.
Modified: 08/01/2012
Friday, June 5, 2009
Let there be Light
Month, Day: Light, Splendour (Independence)
Yes, from Genesis. But light is a primal attribute of science (which studies Creation), to boot. Our little dribblings in the ether, such as we see here with this post (and twitter-ville et al), are evidence of major advances in knowledge the past century and a half.
But, audacity will take light further. Why? It seems to be one property that has some claim to helping us know more about the Transcendent. There will be more on this.
For now, lets briefly look at underdetermination as it applies to our discussions and as it leads to quasi-empiricism by necessity. Some type of dialectic (pointer implies much based upon AE's recognition of imagination's use - implying, thereby, too, intuition's role) needs invention here which would balance the Writings and what we know via science.
Now, of course, the goal would be testable ideas. The key issue? Science has led us down the perdition-ripe paths of materialism, uber mathematics, and big experiments (money, politics, residues [of many sorts]). Consider, please, that what we see with the growing ubiquity of the computational (and its artificial being) is a platform for a type of science (apologies to Wolfram) that is truly non-elite.
Before I get tomatoes thrown in my direction, let me add, the elite part will still be there; it's part of Creation. Okay. But, the non-elite may actually have a larger sub-space (super-space, too).
Yes, indeed. If this were not so, what purpose is there for such a large set (put here link to statement that all can know God [Iqan] - no need of clergy or its equivalent, assuming the Teleological, of course)?
Remarks:
01/25/2011 -- What would be a comprehensive view of this attribute?
09/06/2009 -- Essentially, more is undecidable than we like to admit, basically due to our talent for success (ergodicity, essentially) keeps the hubris refreshed (generation by generation).
07/26/2009 -- The Operational times will be fun.
07/19/2009 -- From the beginning.
07/07/2009 -- Ought we be thankful for the Brights?
06/11/2009 -- Science and Religion.
Modified: 01/25/2011
Yes, from Genesis. But light is a primal attribute of science (which studies Creation), to boot. Our little dribblings in the ether, such as we see here with this post (and twitter-ville et al), are evidence of major advances in knowledge the past century and a half.
But, audacity will take light further. Why? It seems to be one property that has some claim to helping us know more about the Transcendent. There will be more on this.
For now, lets briefly look at underdetermination as it applies to our discussions and as it leads to quasi-empiricism by necessity. Some type of dialectic (pointer implies much based upon AE's recognition of imagination's use - implying, thereby, too, intuition's role) needs invention here which would balance the Writings and what we know via science.
Now, of course, the goal would be testable ideas. The key issue? Science has led us down the perdition-ripe paths of materialism, uber mathematics, and big experiments (money, politics, residues [of many sorts]). Consider, please, that what we see with the growing ubiquity of the computational (and its artificial being) is a platform for a type of science (apologies to Wolfram) that is truly non-elite.
Before I get tomatoes thrown in my direction, let me add, the elite part will still be there; it's part of Creation. Okay. But, the non-elite may actually have a larger sub-space (super-space, too).
Yes, indeed. If this were not so, what purpose is there for such a large set (put here link to statement that all can know God [Iqan] - no need of clergy or its equivalent, assuming the Teleological, of course)?
Remarks:
01/25/2011 -- What would be a comprehensive view of this attribute?
09/06/2009 -- Essentially, more is undecidable than we like to admit, basically due to our talent for success (ergodicity, essentially) keeps the hubris refreshed (generation by generation).
07/26/2009 -- The Operational times will be fun.
07/19/2009 -- From the beginning.
07/07/2009 -- Ought we be thankful for the Brights?
06/11/2009 -- Science and Religion.
Modified: 01/25/2011
Wednesday, July 2, 2014
Cosmology
Month, Day: 171, Mercy, Names (Justice)
We are in the Teleological times.
The following table (from Wikipedia) is offered without comment.
It is worth a whole lot of contemplation that can ensue from this.
Remarks:
07/27/2014 -- Great Ether. Looking a people, we can consider their position (pre/post) the Revelation. So, we're 170 past (Year 171). That would put 1674, as 170 the other side. Say what! ... Too, the blinders of data are strong (to be discussed). Insidious overlays result that prevent people from developing, as they ought.
07/09/2014 --Aqdas 181-183 applies.
Modified: 07/27/2014
We are in the Teleological times.
The following table (from Wikipedia) is offered without comment.
It is worth a whole lot of contemplation that can ensue from this.
Remarks:
07/27/2014 -- Great Ether. Looking a people, we can consider their position (pre/post) the Revelation. So, we're 170 past (Year 171). That would put 1674, as 170 the other side. Say what! ... Too, the blinders of data are strong (to be discussed). Insidious overlays result that prevent people from developing, as they ought.
07/09/2014 --Aqdas 181-183 applies.
Modified: 07/27/2014
Sunday, May 26, 2013
Lessons via Hands
Month, Day: 170, Grandeur, Names (Glory)
Last year, we had the Master's visit (celebration thereof) to recall and learn from, in our own ways. Being an American Baha'i, reading about the travels was particularly inspiring. Having spent most of my life in the western part of the U.S., that portion of the visit was especially wonderful to read about using the new forms of presentation. I posted related blog posts during the period, last year.
Let us remind ourselves that the western expansion from the eastern start (early 17th century) is a large part of the history of the country. The Master sojourned, for the most part, in the former. There are lessons from that. The western jaunt could be thought of as whirlwind.
That is, in terms of physical size, the west hold many multiples of the little eastern region. 100 years ago, of course, the east had the majority of the population. We'll get back to this theme, as America's role (potential) requires a good re-look.
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Aside: There will be some flavoring of audacity as the theme expands.
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Thinking about the congruences, in space, with the visit that was celebrated last year, and lessons thereof, got me to consider a couple of other lessons. Both of these resulted from being in close proximity of a Hands (Zikrullah Khadem and Abu'l-Qasim Faizi). Note, that proximity does not imply social interaction; I was in the room where they (different calendar days) were giving a talk (and meeting audience members). In both cases, I was puzzled. Mr. Faizi's lesson was more immediately apparent, yet the context/content could be looked at further. Mr. Khadem's was a little more perplexing, at the time and for awhile afterward, since it was more personally oriented. With the passing of time, several things to discuss stand out.
You see, these occurrences were 40+ years ago when I was much younger. Too, there are still lessons for us to learn from those times. Perhaps, the boomers getting to retirement age will bring out some of this, including the approaching 50th year look-back.
We'll get to the lessons and what they mean, later.
---
For now, let's just say that the Hands of the Cause had talents out of the normal related to their role which was limited by point of time.
---
Aside (from earlier post): The blogger has been, during his times, in all of the cities visited by the Master in the U.S. though not always being aware that there had been the Presence. So, it's not like a pilgrimage, but there is a record of this in memory and on the ether. Serendipitous convergence, somewhat. -- Addition -- There are patterns, that will relate to cosmology, which can only be understood (perceived?) from the context of the Writings. How will this work (do not limit consideration to the propositional)?
Remarks:
05/25/2013 -- The approach is somewhat similar to writing about inspirational, or interesting, characters met, and such. The context would be of the Faith's Basis.
Modified: 05/25/2013
Last year, we had the Master's visit (celebration thereof) to recall and learn from, in our own ways. Being an American Baha'i, reading about the travels was particularly inspiring. Having spent most of my life in the western part of the U.S., that portion of the visit was especially wonderful to read about using the new forms of presentation. I posted related blog posts during the period, last year.
Let us remind ourselves that the western expansion from the eastern start (early 17th century) is a large part of the history of the country. The Master sojourned, for the most part, in the former. There are lessons from that. The western jaunt could be thought of as whirlwind.
That is, in terms of physical size, the west hold many multiples of the little eastern region. 100 years ago, of course, the east had the majority of the population. We'll get back to this theme, as America's role (potential) requires a good re-look.
---
Aside: There will be some flavoring of audacity as the theme expands.
---
Thinking about the congruences, in space, with the visit that was celebrated last year, and lessons thereof, got me to consider a couple of other lessons. Both of these resulted from being in close proximity of a Hands (Zikrullah Khadem and Abu'l-Qasim Faizi). Note, that proximity does not imply social interaction; I was in the room where they (different calendar days) were giving a talk (and meeting audience members). In both cases, I was puzzled. Mr. Faizi's lesson was more immediately apparent, yet the context/content could be looked at further. Mr. Khadem's was a little more perplexing, at the time and for awhile afterward, since it was more personally oriented. With the passing of time, several things to discuss stand out.
You see, these occurrences were 40+ years ago when I was much younger. Too, there are still lessons for us to learn from those times. Perhaps, the boomers getting to retirement age will bring out some of this, including the approaching 50th year look-back.
We'll get to the lessons and what they mean, later.
---
For now, let's just say that the Hands of the Cause had talents out of the normal related to their role which was limited by point of time.
---
Aside (from earlier post): The blogger has been, during his times, in all of the cities visited by the Master in the U.S. though not always being aware that there had been the Presence. So, it's not like a pilgrimage, but there is a record of this in memory and on the ether. Serendipitous convergence, somewhat. -- Addition -- There are patterns, that will relate to cosmology, which can only be understood (perceived?) from the context of the Writings. How will this work (do not limit consideration to the propositional)?
Remarks:
05/25/2013 -- The approach is somewhat similar to writing about inspirational, or interesting, characters met, and such. The context would be of the Faith's Basis.
Modified: 05/25/2013
Monday, June 9, 2008
A few musings
Month, Day: Light, Light (Perfection)
As will be explained in the Mission and Method post (when it's updated), posts to this blog are not considered complete in one pass. No, it is a cyclic affair, from the first pass of notions noted thru subsequent passes of editing and linking to later passes of inter-post coordination. The goal is to have coherence not unlike one would expect for an on-line book.
Having said that, there is a lot that we don't know about Light (the Attribute and more) or about our success in manipulating its phenomenal aspects and the possible consequences thereof.
There is much to consider, including the dream (Valley of Wonderment) and ether (which some apologists seem to spend a lot of time trying to explain - none needed - any view that is axiomatic and scientism-ic cannot understand the whole picture).
Now, an earlier set of posts looked at how we know and what we can know. The Manifestation's intuitive grasp was/is infallible we are told. Too, we can expect some glimmer, actually need this.
So, along that line, one type of learning/knowing is axiomatic and bottom up as we've seen the focus of mathematics and science take. This is great as our engineering and technological prowesses have illustrated. Essentially, science is public, repeatable, and work.
Yet, there is another way to know, which is available to any of us. The trouble is that this way of knowing is more private than not (you see, we need to learn more about 'mirror' neurons and their role -- psychether [to be described further], for one). We get into trouble when those whose power base might be more than others (via Grace [Tuesday, every week] of God) seem to want to overlord others with their private notions.
Well, this is partly okay since we know that hierarchy is part of the plan - yet, our race will be mature when NOONE (The Kitáb-i-Aqdas, Notes #194) wants to be king - not even for a day.
All of this has Light as a large part of the BASIS.
Remarks:
01/25/2012 -- Yes, still at it. Ready to be more audacious. What we're looking for has to do with mind; at some point, it will be allowed by science that we can observe effects (actually, predict, to boot - one step forward will be a more insightful mathematics).
02/24/2010 -- Ascendant to Transcendent.
10/11/2009 -- Will, an operational imperative for science.
Modified: 01/25/2012
As will be explained in the Mission and Method post (when it's updated), posts to this blog are not considered complete in one pass. No, it is a cyclic affair, from the first pass of notions noted thru subsequent passes of editing and linking to later passes of inter-post coordination. The goal is to have coherence not unlike one would expect for an on-line book.
Having said that, there is a lot that we don't know about Light (the Attribute and more) or about our success in manipulating its phenomenal aspects and the possible consequences thereof.
There is much to consider, including the dream (Valley of Wonderment) and ether (which some apologists seem to spend a lot of time trying to explain - none needed - any view that is axiomatic and scientism-ic cannot understand the whole picture).
Now, an earlier set of posts looked at how we know and what we can know. The Manifestation's intuitive grasp was/is infallible we are told. Too, we can expect some glimmer, actually need this.
So, along that line, one type of learning/knowing is axiomatic and bottom up as we've seen the focus of mathematics and science take. This is great as our engineering and technological prowesses have illustrated. Essentially, science is public, repeatable, and work.
Yet, there is another way to know, which is available to any of us. The trouble is that this way of knowing is more private than not (you see, we need to learn more about 'mirror' neurons and their role -- psychether [to be described further], for one). We get into trouble when those whose power base might be more than others (via Grace [Tuesday, every week] of God) seem to want to overlord others with their private notions.
Well, this is partly okay since we know that hierarchy is part of the plan - yet, our race will be mature when NOONE (The Kitáb-i-Aqdas, Notes #194) wants to be king - not even for a day.
All of this has Light as a large part of the BASIS.
Remarks:
01/25/2012 -- Yes, still at it. Ready to be more audacious. What we're looking for has to do with mind; at some point, it will be allowed by science that we can observe effects (actually, predict, to boot - one step forward will be a more insightful mathematics).
02/24/2010 -- Ascendant to Transcendent.
10/11/2009 -- Will, an operational imperative for science.
Modified: 01/25/2012
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