Month, Day: Perfection, Questions (Glory)
Month, Day: Perfection, Honour (Beauty)
Anticipating Names (and the Operational), we can use Honour to kick off some discussion to begin to construct a new view for science. Such an attempt could help overlay the results from materialism and reductionism with a coherent integrative view that would allow spirit some recognition.
Testable? Yes.
Now, this work would not invalidate, by necessity, knowledge obtained to date. No, it would be like mechanical Newtonian views being extended through concepts that came about through grappling with relativity.
The Four Valleys can help get us started.
The First Valley: Hereafter We will show them Our signs in the regions of the earth, and in themselves, until it become manifest unto them that it is the truth.
As well, we have the first world, namely mineral. That is, matter and existence at its primal; Names, in other words. So, things are (SAQ #79). Each atom is a door to knowledge (paraphrase). Attributes: being, place, ...
The Second Valley: ... this is the station of primal reason.
The mineral supports the spirits, beginning with the vegetative (SAQ #36, SAQ #55). It is more than happenstance that the tree can be used to represent logic.
From a computational sense, we've seen analog and digital types represents by the mineral (and electromagnetism). Some have looked at bioinformatics, especially at the micro-biological level. Yet, what other types will emerge? A macro-biological variety is of interest, to boot.
Attributes: growth, awareness, ...
Any movement is constrained. Autonomous activity comes up next.
The Third Valley: ... but they gallop their chargers.
The next of the spirits is the animal (SAQ #36, SAQ #55). Here we have movement of a very wide variety. Again, computation has only briefly touched this (swarms, etc.).
Attributes: sensation, movement, homeostasis, ...
The Fourth Valley: Herein the high heavens are in no conflict with the lowly earth, nor do they seek to excel it, for this is the land of mercy, not the realm of distinction
Then, we have the human spirit (SAQ #36, SAQ #55) with its limitlessness, especially the facility to run off after abstraction. We need to turn things around to get mathematics based upon matter and more. What will this look like?
Attributes: Any and All
As a final note, we can't leave Perfection without mentioning this. SAQ #46: Now, if we imagine a time when man belonged to the animal world, or when he was merely an animal, we shall find that existence would have been imperfect—that is to say, there would have been no man, and this chief member, which in the body of the world is like the brain and mind in man, would have been missing.
Remarks:
09/26/2009 -- An issue for the Operational view.
08/16/2009 -- The Operational group is approaching, and ontology is primal. One area of focus, as suggested by this post, will be mind-body studies. Somehow, insights from the Writings ought to have importance, teleological and operational.
Modified: 09/26/2009
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Friday, February 29, 2008
Existence or not
Month, Day: Intercalary, 4 of 5 (Independence)
One source for stumbling on the issues related to an improved framework for science and knowledge deals with the limits associated with one within a system trying to study the system; the fact is that we have no facility for removing ourselves from the system, even with our best tools obtained via advanced mathematics.
That Creation is, and there for us (in many ways), has somehow to be integrated into our working mindset.
So, to begin and to not go very far, let's look at the SAQ of `Abdu'l-Bahá. As a reminder, the main thrust will be that the Writings do provide a basis that can be operational in more than just a spiritual, or an administrative or a behavioral, sense.
We know God through the Manifestations and Attributes (SAQ #37); we ought to consider that the Attributes are one with the Essence (SAQ #59); finally, "The names and attributes of God require the existence of beings" (SAQ #80). God's creation is then what we know through experience and experiment which is, essentially, science.
Now, various means, through time, limited what was necessary for science, with Occam playing one of the key roles. One impetus for these limits has been insufficient grounds for introducing additional factors; the application of reason, and educated guessing, have emerged as a couple of, though not the only, practices (see SAQ #83).
But, what if there were a means to offer insights that are supported by a firmer method?
Of course, that someone could do this, make progress, and then reveal the method might just be the modus operandi. How many times have we heard about dreams offering some notion for solution to problems? We can point to comments about dreams, such as 7V4V, The Valley Of Wonderment, yet damper the enthusiasm with some needed caution (see SAQ #71).
Of course, there are other practices that can be discussed. These, and related ideas, will be explored during the coming months, hopefully, without hubris.
Remarks:
01/25/2012 -- Yes, still at it. Ready to be more audacious. What we're looking for has to do with mind; at some point, it will be allowed by science that we can observe effects (actually, predict, to boot - one step forward will be a more insightful mathematics).
10/11/2009 -- Will, an operational imperative for science.
Modified: 01/25/2012
One source for stumbling on the issues related to an improved framework for science and knowledge deals with the limits associated with one within a system trying to study the system; the fact is that we have no facility for removing ourselves from the system, even with our best tools obtained via advanced mathematics.
That Creation is, and there for us (in many ways), has somehow to be integrated into our working mindset.
So, to begin and to not go very far, let's look at the SAQ of `Abdu'l-Bahá. As a reminder, the main thrust will be that the Writings do provide a basis that can be operational in more than just a spiritual, or an administrative or a behavioral, sense.
We know God through the Manifestations and Attributes (SAQ #37); we ought to consider that the Attributes are one with the Essence (SAQ #59); finally, "The names and attributes of God require the existence of beings" (SAQ #80). God's creation is then what we know through experience and experiment which is, essentially, science.
Now, various means, through time, limited what was necessary for science, with Occam playing one of the key roles. One impetus for these limits has been insufficient grounds for introducing additional factors; the application of reason, and educated guessing, have emerged as a couple of, though not the only, practices (see SAQ #83).
But, what if there were a means to offer insights that are supported by a firmer method?
Of course, that someone could do this, make progress, and then reveal the method might just be the modus operandi. How many times have we heard about dreams offering some notion for solution to problems? We can point to comments about dreams, such as 7V4V, The Valley Of Wonderment, yet damper the enthusiasm with some needed caution (see SAQ #71).
Of course, there are other practices that can be discussed. These, and related ideas, will be explored during the coming months, hopefully, without hubris.
Remarks:
01/25/2012 -- Yes, still at it. Ready to be more audacious. What we're looking for has to do with mind; at some point, it will be allowed by science that we can observe effects (actually, predict, to boot - one step forward will be a more insightful mathematics).
10/11/2009 -- Will, an operational imperative for science.
Modified: 01/25/2012
Sunday, July 26, 2009
Leaders and followers
Month, Day: Words, Speech (Beauty)
As the Bard wrote, don't be a lender or a borrower (expressed more flowery than this, of course). We can alter that slightly to neither a leader nor a follower be. That is, I may not want to cast a shadow yet don't appreciate that your need to do so (think of this in terms of those who interpose themselves between people and God). This usage is partly motivated by the comment in the Aqdas that no one, when the human race matures, would want to step up to be king. Of course, we all would be king, yet we would not subject others; rather we would serve others willingly.
Now, in terms of audacity and the autodidact, we can think of our cognitive states as a place to start looking at this dilemma. Why? Explaining the mind is puzzling to any but the most strident views. The SAQ #56 offers a model that has some power when considered via reflection in this context. That is, we have a common faculty that maps from the senses to our spiritual powers.
These spiritual powers are, in a sequence from the SAQ #56 example: imagination, thought, comprehension, memory. An interesting thing to ponder is that light is handled by the eye, but there maybe more involved. For instance, does light have attributes that are handled via the imagination? See below for further discussion on how to handle.
The SAQ #56 example pertained to our perception of an external situation or object. Now, the sequence could be any permutation, such as some cognitive state arising from memory. This SAQ-based model ought to (and can) be looked at from the context of modern cognitive science. We're in the mode where our physical entities are being probed by science continually, yet, no place within the framework allows that any motive, or will, arises via our spirit. It is asked: how can science do that?
As with any modern view, the stress of reductionism and materialism keeps any attempt at a new integrative view from seeing light. That the Writings can offer a basis for such attempts has been said many times here.
Now, that statement brings in the Attribute classes, namely Transcendent, Teleological, Operational, Motivation, Ascendant. We are now in the second, dealing with Words. Up next is Perfection.
The power of this grouping, though it is only one of many, is that subsequent timeframes build on the others. In fact, the idea of cycle is central to the theme (small analog of Progressive Revelation). As an aside, it's interesting that just as we might think that we're getting some handle on this, along comes the Ascendant group which leads to Loftiness and, of course, to the new iteration.
Can the Operational group (Names, Might, Will, Knowledge) provide some hint at both descriptive and explanatory means which would be supported by experimentation? That the experiments are limited to thought types, in the beginning, is no argument against the attempt, as quasi-empiricism in mathematics suggests just that sort of thing (see Lakatos).
As a final thought, we need to bring the 4 Valleys into the discussion, too, as they can map to the message of SAQ #56.
Remarks:
10/11/2009 -- Will, an operational imperative for science.
09/06/2009 -- Essentially, more is undecidable than we like to admit, basically due to our talent for success (ergodicity, essentially) keeps the hubris refreshed (generation by generation).
08/16/2009 -- The Operational group is approaching, and ontology is primal. One area of focus, as suggested by this post, will be mind-body studies. Somehow, insights from the Writings ought to have importance, teleological and operational.
Modified: 10/11/2009
As the Bard wrote, don't be a lender or a borrower (expressed more flowery than this, of course). We can alter that slightly to neither a leader nor a follower be. That is, I may not want to cast a shadow yet don't appreciate that your need to do so (think of this in terms of those who interpose themselves between people and God). This usage is partly motivated by the comment in the Aqdas that no one, when the human race matures, would want to step up to be king. Of course, we all would be king, yet we would not subject others; rather we would serve others willingly.
Now, in terms of audacity and the autodidact, we can think of our cognitive states as a place to start looking at this dilemma. Why? Explaining the mind is puzzling to any but the most strident views. The SAQ #56 offers a model that has some power when considered via reflection in this context. That is, we have a common faculty that maps from the senses to our spiritual powers.
These spiritual powers are, in a sequence from the SAQ #56 example: imagination, thought, comprehension, memory. An interesting thing to ponder is that light is handled by the eye, but there maybe more involved. For instance, does light have attributes that are handled via the imagination? See below for further discussion on how to handle.
The SAQ #56 example pertained to our perception of an external situation or object. Now, the sequence could be any permutation, such as some cognitive state arising from memory. This SAQ-based model ought to (and can) be looked at from the context of modern cognitive science. We're in the mode where our physical entities are being probed by science continually, yet, no place within the framework allows that any motive, or will, arises via our spirit. It is asked: how can science do that?
As with any modern view, the stress of reductionism and materialism keeps any attempt at a new integrative view from seeing light. That the Writings can offer a basis for such attempts has been said many times here.
Now, that statement brings in the Attribute classes, namely Transcendent, Teleological, Operational, Motivation, Ascendant. We are now in the second, dealing with Words. Up next is Perfection.
The power of this grouping, though it is only one of many, is that subsequent timeframes build on the others. In fact, the idea of cycle is central to the theme (small analog of Progressive Revelation). As an aside, it's interesting that just as we might think that we're getting some handle on this, along comes the Ascendant group which leads to Loftiness and, of course, to the new iteration.
Can the Operational group (Names, Might, Will, Knowledge) provide some hint at both descriptive and explanatory means which would be supported by experimentation? That the experiments are limited to thought types, in the beginning, is no argument against the attempt, as quasi-empiricism in mathematics suggests just that sort of thing (see Lakatos).
As a final thought, we need to bring the 4 Valleys into the discussion, too, as they can map to the message of SAQ #56.
Remarks:
10/11/2009 -- Will, an operational imperative for science.
09/06/2009 -- Essentially, more is undecidable than we like to admit, basically due to our talent for success (ergodicity, essentially) keeps the hubris refreshed (generation by generation).
08/16/2009 -- The Operational group is approaching, and ontology is primal. One area of focus, as suggested by this post, will be mind-body studies. Somehow, insights from the Writings ought to have importance, teleological and operational.
Modified: 10/11/2009
Tuesday, September 16, 2008
Ether by any other name
Month, Day: Might, Names (Grace)
In SAQ #48, we see a reference to ether: If we wish to deny everything that is not sensible, then we must deny the realities which unquestionably exist. For example, ethereal matter is not sensible, though it has an undoubted existence. The power of attraction is not sensible, though it certainly exists. From what do we affirm these existences? From their signs. Thus this light is the vibration of that ethereal matter, and from this vibration we infer the existence of ether.
Some apologize for this use of the word. Why? Well, using it nowadays opens one up to much derision.
But, consider that `Abdu'l-Bahá may have known about that which he was talking. SAQ #48 explains the differences between plants and animals, as well as those between animals and man. Earlier, in SAQ #16, concern was raised about how symbols are required "to convey intellectual conceptions" which 'ether' in a sense is, a symbol, that is.
Lately, the Economist used 'ether' in a review of Frank Wilczek's book; the Economist had this to say about what Wilczek calls a 'grid': "What is perceived as empty space turns out to be a new kind of ether, a patchwork of quantum fields teeming with spontaneous activity, and the fundamental building block of nature."
The wit of the Economist notwithstanding, there are many other expositions, based upon very respectable worldviews, that dance around this subject that was briefly covered in SAQ #48; actually, no apology is necessary.
Remarks:
08/01/2012 --Ether, in a manner that is unavoidably true. Our task? Show how to handle the matter from a scientific (the wise interpretation, okay?) framework. And, audacity is not necessary.
01/25/2012 -- Yes, still at it. Ready to be more audacious. What we're looking for has to do with mind; at some point, it will be allowed by science that we can observe effects (actually, predict, to boot - one step forward will be a more insightful mathematics).
08/23/2009 -- I'll make it a little stronger. `Abdu'l-Bahá knew what he was talking about (SAQ #48): For example, ethereal matter is not sensible, though it has an undoubted existence. This is fairly definite.
06/05/2009 -- Light very much is something to study in this context.
11/17/2008 -- Consider Light and other topics for an extended science.
Modified: 08/01/2012
In SAQ #48, we see a reference to ether: If we wish to deny everything that is not sensible, then we must deny the realities which unquestionably exist. For example, ethereal matter is not sensible, though it has an undoubted existence. The power of attraction is not sensible, though it certainly exists. From what do we affirm these existences? From their signs. Thus this light is the vibration of that ethereal matter, and from this vibration we infer the existence of ether.
Some apologize for this use of the word. Why? Well, using it nowadays opens one up to much derision.
But, consider that `Abdu'l-Bahá may have known about that which he was talking. SAQ #48 explains the differences between plants and animals, as well as those between animals and man. Earlier, in SAQ #16, concern was raised about how symbols are required "to convey intellectual conceptions" which 'ether' in a sense is, a symbol, that is.
Lately, the Economist used 'ether' in a review of Frank Wilczek's book; the Economist had this to say about what Wilczek calls a 'grid': "What is perceived as empty space turns out to be a new kind of ether, a patchwork of quantum fields teeming with spontaneous activity, and the fundamental building block of nature."
The wit of the Economist notwithstanding, there are many other expositions, based upon very respectable worldviews, that dance around this subject that was briefly covered in SAQ #48; actually, no apology is necessary.
Remarks:
08/01/2012 --Ether, in a manner that is unavoidably true. Our task? Show how to handle the matter from a scientific (the wise interpretation, okay?) framework. And, audacity is not necessary.
01/25/2012 -- Yes, still at it. Ready to be more audacious. What we're looking for has to do with mind; at some point, it will be allowed by science that we can observe effects (actually, predict, to boot - one step forward will be a more insightful mathematics).
08/23/2009 -- I'll make it a little stronger. `Abdu'l-Bahá knew what he was talking about (SAQ #48): For example, ethereal matter is not sensible, though it has an undoubted existence. This is fairly definite.
06/05/2009 -- Light very much is something to study in this context.
11/17/2008 -- Consider Light and other topics for an extended science.
Modified: 08/01/2012
Friday, August 8, 2008
Perfection
Month, Day: Perfection, Sovereignty (Beauty)
SAQ #28: Before appearing in the human form, the Word of God was in the utmost sanctity and glory, existing in perfect beauty and splendor in the height of its magnificence.
Month, Day: Perfection, Speech (Majesty)
SAQ #46: When man looks at the beings with a penetrating regard, and attentively examines the condition of existences, and when he sees the state, the organization and the perfection of the world, he will be convinced that in the possible world there is nothing more wonderful than that which already exists.
Month, Day: Perfection, Perfection (Independence)
SAQ #39: Verily, from the beginning that Holy Reality is conscious of the secret of existence, and from the age of childhood signs of greatness appear and are visible in Him. Therefore, how can it be that with all these bounties and perfections He should have no consciousness?
Remarks:
08/27/2012 -- Today, we have another type of double day.
12/21/2009 -- More on the diagonal or square'd days.
08/05/2009 -- We'll look at SAQ #37 more in the context of how the Teleological influences.
05/29/2009 -- The Transcendent baffles.
Modified: 08/27/2012
SAQ #28: Before appearing in the human form, the Word of God was in the utmost sanctity and glory, existing in perfect beauty and splendor in the height of its magnificence.
Month, Day: Perfection, Speech (Majesty)
SAQ #46: When man looks at the beings with a penetrating regard, and attentively examines the condition of existences, and when he sees the state, the organization and the perfection of the world, he will be convinced that in the possible world there is nothing more wonderful than that which already exists.
Month, Day: Perfection, Perfection (Independence)
SAQ #39: Verily, from the beginning that Holy Reality is conscious of the secret of existence, and from the age of childhood signs of greatness appear and are visible in Him. Therefore, how can it be that with all these bounties and perfections He should have no consciousness?
Remarks:
08/27/2012 -- Today, we have another type of double day.
12/21/2009 -- More on the diagonal or square'd days.
08/05/2009 -- We'll look at SAQ #37 more in the context of how the Teleological influences.
05/29/2009 -- The Transcendent baffles.
Modified: 08/27/2012
Thursday, December 31, 2009
Motivational III
Month, Day: 166, Honour, Splendour (Majesty)
We're now to the last of the Motivationals. As we head to the Ascendants, with the New Year looming (167), we will use the reality of the Manifestation as a major theme for discussion. This has to do with more than audacity. It's core.
Lets start with a couple of quotes from the SAQ, mainly to carry on Questions.
As mentioned before, the first part covers the influence of the Prophets in the evolution of humanity. Allowing this notion is a big step. The third part considers attributes of the Manifestations of God. The fourth part looks at man's details.
Now, given an acceptance of the first part as a basis, then the details, as they are covered in the subsequent parts, follow and ought to have relevance to true science.
SAQ #37: But for this Essence of the essences, this Truth of truths, this Mystery of mysteries, there are reflections, auroras, appearances and resplendencies in the world of existence. The dawning-place of these splendors, the place of these reflections, and the appearance of these manifestations are the Holy Dawning-places, the Universal Realities and the Divine Beings, Who are the true mirrors of the sanctified Essence of God. All the perfections, the bounties, the splendors which come from God are visible and evident in the Reality of the Holy Manifestations, like the sun which is resplendent in a clear polished mirror with all its perfections and bounties.
SAQ #51: All beings, whether large or small, were created perfect and complete from the first, but their perfections appear in them by degrees. The organization of God is one; the evolution of existence is one; the divine system is one.
It is obvious that some type of 'supernatural' appendage (it can be minimal - our task, to determine this) is required for science to take the next step. Otherwise, it mainly revolves around the pit of materialism and hollows our the human core. The manner in which this will play out is unknown, is feared, but is necessary. Let's take some time to develop the proper view, or at least define what is needed, from First Principles.
One of those is this.
SAQ #78: The tent of existence is upheld upon the pillar of justice and not upon forgiveness. The continuance of mankind depends upon justice and not upon forgiveness.
So, work is a key issue, with all sorts of implications.
Modified: 12/31/2009
We're now to the last of the Motivationals. As we head to the Ascendants, with the New Year looming (167), we will use the reality of the Manifestation as a major theme for discussion. This has to do with more than audacity. It's core.
Lets start with a couple of quotes from the SAQ, mainly to carry on Questions.
As mentioned before, the first part covers the influence of the Prophets in the evolution of humanity. Allowing this notion is a big step. The third part considers attributes of the Manifestations of God. The fourth part looks at man's details.
Now, given an acceptance of the first part as a basis, then the details, as they are covered in the subsequent parts, follow and ought to have relevance to true science.
SAQ #37: But for this Essence of the essences, this Truth of truths, this Mystery of mysteries, there are reflections, auroras, appearances and resplendencies in the world of existence. The dawning-place of these splendors, the place of these reflections, and the appearance of these manifestations are the Holy Dawning-places, the Universal Realities and the Divine Beings, Who are the true mirrors of the sanctified Essence of God. All the perfections, the bounties, the splendors which come from God are visible and evident in the Reality of the Holy Manifestations, like the sun which is resplendent in a clear polished mirror with all its perfections and bounties.
SAQ #51: All beings, whether large or small, were created perfect and complete from the first, but their perfections appear in them by degrees. The organization of God is one; the evolution of existence is one; the divine system is one.
It is obvious that some type of 'supernatural' appendage (it can be minimal - our task, to determine this) is required for science to take the next step. Otherwise, it mainly revolves around the pit of materialism and hollows our the human core. The manner in which this will play out is unknown, is feared, but is necessary. Let's take some time to develop the proper view, or at least define what is needed, from First Principles.
One of those is this.
SAQ #78: The tent of existence is upheld upon the pillar of justice and not upon forgiveness. The continuance of mankind depends upon justice and not upon forgiveness.
So, work is a key issue, with all sorts of implications.
Modified: 12/31/2009
Thursday, October 1, 2009
World embracing
Month, Day: 166, Will, Light (Majesty)
Earlier, in the Operational times, there was mention of our 'in situ' selves as being books that need to be read. In fact, there is some significance regarding sites and burial duties. It has been said, heard as a tradition, that the soul remains sensitive to the body's state.
Well, some things are beyond our current understanding. But, Will is not one of those. So, lots of questions come to mind. What is this? And, why do we have it?
One counsel has been to lift our minds beyond the in situ: (Tablets after Aqdas) Let your vision be world-embracing, rather than confined to your own self.
One way to do this by shaking off the dust and moving about between various sites, Lord knows that there are plenty of methods in the modern world for doing this. One can attain a state of perpetual motion. One problem: no matter where one goes for a new embedding, so too goes whatever the Will has collected. There may be a lag, yet there is also this: (HW #I-40) O SON OF MAN! Wert thou to speed through the immensity of space and traverse the expanse of heaven, yet thou wouldst find no rest save in submission to Our command and humbleness before Our Face.
That is, there is no running away. From what? Again, lots to discuss.
Consider though, that as you look about your 'in situ' situation, things may look fairly normal as a consistent stage for your self and your Will. Ah, the sophisticate will say, we're on a little planet moving about. Yes, can you see that? Ever notice how seemingly eternal themes are always playing out upon some stage that carries along no matter where you go?
For instance, the building that you're in, most likely, has been there for more than a moment. That framework that we all get used to is really persistent. Just what is this thing that grabs so much of our attention, provides an endless stream of characters playing roles, and seems so real? Actually, we know that it is real (SAQ #79).
As said before, here we're building some type of stature implying that the Operational deals with far more than day to day issues with the in situ's unfolding. Science plays along this line, to boot. And, there may actually be things that are local to a site. What?
Remarks:
02/24/2010 -- Ascendant to Transcendent.
12/06/2009 -- The Motivational implies goals and actions.
10/03/2009 -- Another sense, domineering types and those who want to conquer the world. Yes, we're to love our afferent connection to Creation. And, probably more exhibit traits of the autodidact rather than of those who know everything which can result from several sides including certificates that indicate accomplishment of note in one area of thought or endeavor. Will applies to how we filter the afferent, yet it applies more to the efferent activity following the choices made. Or, to the mode, and the motive, of choice.
10/02/2009 -- There's several ways to take 'world-embracing' in terms of meaning. The most common, probably, is that we think and act globally. In a sense, this mode recognizes that everything is connected (SAQ #69) and inter-related (the butterfly argument of the complex systems people, for instance). Trouble is, this sense has been used by those who exploit, and colonize, very effectively thereby wrecking general havoc. Now, another sense, is that we need to embrace the world (physical reality) as it is as much a part of the Kingdom as is the spiritual (SAQ #79). Yes, one example would be a creation-based science.
Modified: 02/24/2010
Earlier, in the Operational times, there was mention of our 'in situ' selves as being books that need to be read. In fact, there is some significance regarding sites and burial duties. It has been said, heard as a tradition, that the soul remains sensitive to the body's state.
Well, some things are beyond our current understanding. But, Will is not one of those. So, lots of questions come to mind. What is this? And, why do we have it?
One counsel has been to lift our minds beyond the in situ: (Tablets after Aqdas) Let your vision be world-embracing, rather than confined to your own self.
One way to do this by shaking off the dust and moving about between various sites, Lord knows that there are plenty of methods in the modern world for doing this. One can attain a state of perpetual motion. One problem: no matter where one goes for a new embedding, so too goes whatever the Will has collected. There may be a lag, yet there is also this: (HW #I-40) O SON OF MAN! Wert thou to speed through the immensity of space and traverse the expanse of heaven, yet thou wouldst find no rest save in submission to Our command and humbleness before Our Face.
That is, there is no running away. From what? Again, lots to discuss.
Consider though, that as you look about your 'in situ' situation, things may look fairly normal as a consistent stage for your self and your Will. Ah, the sophisticate will say, we're on a little planet moving about. Yes, can you see that? Ever notice how seemingly eternal themes are always playing out upon some stage that carries along no matter where you go?
For instance, the building that you're in, most likely, has been there for more than a moment. That framework that we all get used to is really persistent. Just what is this thing that grabs so much of our attention, provides an endless stream of characters playing roles, and seems so real? Actually, we know that it is real (SAQ #79).
As said before, here we're building some type of stature implying that the Operational deals with far more than day to day issues with the in situ's unfolding. Science plays along this line, to boot. And, there may actually be things that are local to a site. What?
Remarks:
02/24/2010 -- Ascendant to Transcendent.
12/06/2009 -- The Motivational implies goals and actions.
10/03/2009 -- Another sense, domineering types and those who want to conquer the world. Yes, we're to love our afferent connection to Creation. And, probably more exhibit traits of the autodidact rather than of those who know everything which can result from several sides including certificates that indicate accomplishment of note in one area of thought or endeavor. Will applies to how we filter the afferent, yet it applies more to the efferent activity following the choices made. Or, to the mode, and the motive, of choice.
10/02/2009 -- There's several ways to take 'world-embracing' in terms of meaning. The most common, probably, is that we think and act globally. In a sense, this mode recognizes that everything is connected (SAQ #69) and inter-related (the butterfly argument of the complex systems people, for instance). Trouble is, this sense has been used by those who exploit, and colonize, very effectively thereby wrecking general havoc. Now, another sense, is that we need to embrace the world (physical reality) as it is as much a part of the Kingdom as is the spiritual (SAQ #79). Yes, one example would be a creation-based science.
Modified: 02/24/2010
Sunday, February 7, 2010
Mentors
Month, Day: 166, Dominion, Splendour (Beauty)
There was an earlier suggestion that we need to think about, though we cannot comprehend, the various states of the Manifestations, who are Key, since we have been allowed Questions (science).
Notice SAQ #25: In the Gospel of John, in speaking of the Promised One Who was to come after Christ, it is said in chapter 16, verses 12, 13: “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak.” Then, there is an explanation.
How does this happen? Is there any similarity with normal human existence? That is, are we allowed any semblance of knowing.
What about action? We all have some notion about puppetry. Is this not the motivation behind indoctrination?
These questions are such as an autodidact would bring forward; independent investigation of the truth necessitates the autodidact which essentially consists a mentor-less state.
Yet, how can one actually be mentor-less? Our parents are our first mentors (SAQ #57). In fact, they set the stage for our lives, in many ways that are permanent. If they have done a good job, it leaves one in a condition of standing on the shoulders of giants (thanks, Isaac).
In this regard, too, the counsel of God loving those who works in groups (paraphrase) applies from several perspectives. One that needs further explanation is foundational (the future - psychether).
By the way, have you thanked your parents lately (SAQ #62)?
Consider that the Glory's parents died early so that he was raised by his uncle which resulted in a different mentoring situation. Teleologically important? Reducing a type of influence? Perhaps, it was a grace to them, disallowed any erroneous motions (free will, this side).
In any case, the usual 'mentor' dynamic, of the normal human experience, did not happen. However the operational aspects unfolded, we can only know pieces. One important thing? No matter how real any similar circumstance may appear to be, it cannot be the case, according to the thousand year rule.
Now, this discussion mainly points to the time when science (ah, Brights?) will have accepted some categorical difference between humans and other creatures and when they try to attempt to use this knowledge. Somehow, limits must be fully described and supported scientifically. As mentioned earlier, for those things not in the Writings (and we do not know this yet),
the Universal House of Justice will be central.
Remarks:
02/24/2010 -- Ascendant to Transcendent.
Modified: 03/11/2010
There was an earlier suggestion that we need to think about, though we cannot comprehend, the various states of the Manifestations, who are Key, since we have been allowed Questions (science).
Notice SAQ #25: In the Gospel of John, in speaking of the Promised One Who was to come after Christ, it is said in chapter 16, verses 12, 13: “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak.” Then, there is an explanation.
How does this happen? Is there any similarity with normal human existence? That is, are we allowed any semblance of knowing.
What about action? We all have some notion about puppetry. Is this not the motivation behind indoctrination?
These questions are such as an autodidact would bring forward; independent investigation of the truth necessitates the autodidact which essentially consists a mentor-less state.
Yet, how can one actually be mentor-less? Our parents are our first mentors (SAQ #57). In fact, they set the stage for our lives, in many ways that are permanent. If they have done a good job, it leaves one in a condition of standing on the shoulders of giants (thanks, Isaac).
In this regard, too, the counsel of God loving those who works in groups (paraphrase) applies from several perspectives. One that needs further explanation is foundational (the future - psychether).
By the way, have you thanked your parents lately (SAQ #62)?
Consider that the Glory's parents died early so that he was raised by his uncle which resulted in a different mentoring situation. Teleologically important? Reducing a type of influence? Perhaps, it was a grace to them, disallowed any erroneous motions (free will, this side).
In any case, the usual 'mentor' dynamic, of the normal human experience, did not happen. However the operational aspects unfolded, we can only know pieces. One important thing? No matter how real any similar circumstance may appear to be, it cannot be the case, according to the thousand year rule.
Now, this discussion mainly points to the time when science (ah, Brights?) will have accepted some categorical difference between humans and other creatures and when they try to attempt to use this knowledge. Somehow, limits must be fully described and supported scientifically. As mentioned earlier, for those things not in the Writings (and we do not know this yet),
the Universal House of Justice will be central.
Remarks:
02/24/2010 -- Ascendant to Transcendent.
Modified: 03/11/2010
Sunday, July 19, 2009
In the beginning
Month, Day: Words, Words (Glory)
This is a type of square-day that we see each month. In a table that would have the months as columns and the days as rows, we would have these days on the diagonal. They ought to give us pause on occasion, namely a change to ponder significance (Contentment) every month.
As the Title implies, this month deals with LOGOS and more. In terms of the former, SAQ #42 is a wonderful source: Without the irrefutable teachings of those sources of mysteries the human world would become the pasture of animal appetites and qualities, the existence of everything would be unreal, and there would be no true life. That is why it is said in the Gospel: “In the beginning was the Word,” meaning that it became the cause of all life.
Then, we see this further on: In like manner, when the Holy Manifestation of God, Who is the sun of the world of His creation, shines upon the worlds of spirits, of thoughts and of hearts, then the spiritual spring and new life appear, the power of the wonderful springtime becomes visible, and marvelous benefits are apparent.
There is then a suggestion that we could look at the "the signs and bounties of each of the Holy Manifestations" for insights. Now, considering that we were counseled to not look too much to the past and to act now and to look to the future (paraphrase), too much effort at this could be wasteful, in several senses.
Except for science which we were told was central to knowing God (paraphrase). Many of the dilemmas of the modern mind, as it tries to grasp with issues of underdetermination can be traced back to what might be missing. Consider, the SAQ (see #46, for example) talks about the long timeframe of man's progression.
The audacious view (not necessarily autodidactic) would provide the role to consider how Manifestations guided us throughout that long chain. Associated with this would be mapping progress of the past 200 years back to cognitive changes that seem to have an apparent point of appearance that is more than mere coincidence.
Now, one consequence from audacity will be to have a Creation-based science that marvels at nature (see WSJ 07/16/09 -Nature Was The Teacher). One change from the latest spiritual burst is obvious in abstract thinking's success in founding change and progress as witnessed in the modern age with engineering and science.
Though quasi-empiricism would ask why the 'unreasonable effectiveness' to which we can offer some thought about what is sufficient, the siren call of technology fosters hubris that thrusts our models forward as more complete than their creation counterpart leading to a topsy-turvy state that emphasizes what the elite can see as of more importance than it can be since all can know God.
Remarks:
12/21/2009 -- More on the diagonal or square'd days.
08/16/2009 -- The Operational group is approaching, and ontology is primal. One area of focus, as suggested by this post, will be mind-body studies. Somehow, insights from the Writings ought to have importance, teleological and operational.
08/05/2009 -- We'll look at SAQ #37 more in the context of how the Teleological influences.
Modified: 12/21/2009
This is a type of square-day that we see each month. In a table that would have the months as columns and the days as rows, we would have these days on the diagonal. They ought to give us pause on occasion, namely a change to ponder significance (Contentment) every month.
As the Title implies, this month deals with LOGOS and more. In terms of the former, SAQ #42 is a wonderful source: Without the irrefutable teachings of those sources of mysteries the human world would become the pasture of animal appetites and qualities, the existence of everything would be unreal, and there would be no true life. That is why it is said in the Gospel: “In the beginning was the Word,” meaning that it became the cause of all life.
Then, we see this further on: In like manner, when the Holy Manifestation of God, Who is the sun of the world of His creation, shines upon the worlds of spirits, of thoughts and of hearts, then the spiritual spring and new life appear, the power of the wonderful springtime becomes visible, and marvelous benefits are apparent.
There is then a suggestion that we could look at the "the signs and bounties of each of the Holy Manifestations" for insights. Now, considering that we were counseled to not look too much to the past and to act now and to look to the future (paraphrase), too much effort at this could be wasteful, in several senses.
Except for science which we were told was central to knowing God (paraphrase). Many of the dilemmas of the modern mind, as it tries to grasp with issues of underdetermination can be traced back to what might be missing. Consider, the SAQ (see #46, for example) talks about the long timeframe of man's progression.
The audacious view (not necessarily autodidactic) would provide the role to consider how Manifestations guided us throughout that long chain. Associated with this would be mapping progress of the past 200 years back to cognitive changes that seem to have an apparent point of appearance that is more than mere coincidence.
Now, one consequence from audacity will be to have a Creation-based science that marvels at nature (see WSJ 07/16/09 -Nature Was The Teacher). One change from the latest spiritual burst is obvious in abstract thinking's success in founding change and progress as witnessed in the modern age with engineering and science.
Though quasi-empiricism would ask why the 'unreasonable effectiveness' to which we can offer some thought about what is sufficient, the siren call of technology fosters hubris that thrusts our models forward as more complete than their creation counterpart leading to a topsy-turvy state that emphasizes what the elite can see as of more importance than it can be since all can know God.
Remarks:
12/21/2009 -- More on the diagonal or square'd days.
08/16/2009 -- The Operational group is approaching, and ontology is primal. One area of focus, as suggested by this post, will be mind-body studies. Somehow, insights from the Writings ought to have importance, teleological and operational.
08/05/2009 -- We'll look at SAQ #37 more in the context of how the Teleological influences.
Modified: 12/21/2009
Friday, December 12, 2008
Questions and more
Month, Day: Questions, Splendour (Independence)
Month, Day: Questions, Beauty (Beauty)
This is a central theme, especially for science, both operationally and theoretically. Science (as the greatest gift) does not exist without questions.
Now, we have a whole month to contemplate and explore things related to the topic. Of course, one month is not sufficient, but the proper focus can bolster our audacity.
Part of the discussion will look at the growing role of the artificial in terms of what it might mean to us. Notice, for instance, the interests of the brights.
Another part of the discussion will look at how we know, such as through effort or intuitively. We can take this further in an useful way as we look at four ways of acquiring knowledge (SAQ #83) in terms of an operational approach to science. The following are the ways in the order as specified (much significance here).
Remarks:
03/17/2011 -- Just as St. Patrick carried the message, so too ought we act to bring forth a proper viewpoint.
08/16/2009 -- The Operational group is approaching, and ontology is primal. One area of focus, as suggested by this post, will be mind-body studies. Somehow, insights from the Writings ought to have importance, teleological and operational.
05/29/2009 -- The Transcendent baffles.
Modified: 03/17/2011
Month, Day: Questions, Beauty (Beauty)
This is a central theme, especially for science, both operationally and theoretically. Science (as the greatest gift) does not exist without questions.
Now, we have a whole month to contemplate and explore things related to the topic. Of course, one month is not sufficient, but the proper focus can bolster our audacity.
Part of the discussion will look at the growing role of the artificial in terms of what it might mean to us. Notice, for instance, the interests of the brights.
Another part of the discussion will look at how we know, such as through effort or intuitively. We can take this further in an useful way as we look at four ways of acquiring knowledge (SAQ #83) in terms of an operational approach to science. The following are the ways in the order as specified (much significance here).
- Senses - Not only would we need to consider that only a few things are directly available to ourselves, with limits by time and locale, our senses have been augmented in very many ways. In fact, looking at what the artificial (see above) there is really no end to how far we can push this. Though, at some point, any abstraction chain breaks away from reality. Yet, as we have already seen, the human race is capable of seeing far beyond the horizon (to wit, those things supporting cosmology) and beneath surface (that related to physics in the small) and everywhere in-between.
- Reason - Which then leads to the way of thought (see below) and, naturally, to mathematics and logic. The limit of reason has been extensively discussed in the last few centuries, but one important concept to remember in this case is quasi-empircisim. In actuality, reason encompasses much more than just thought as we have learned quite well due to our computer prowess.
- Tradition - In a sense, this is acquired knowledge as the first two involve more processing. This knowledge would include how the first two are handled and involve a myriad of issues, such as paradigms, practices, etc.
- Holy Spirit - Too much to cover here for this brief post, yet consider that the man-in-the-loop emphasis of some complex problem solving techniques make use of this reality, suggesting, of course, borgs and man-bots as we could expect from the 4th Valley.
- "Five powers that perceive outer existences" (acknowledging, of course, the realness of existence SAQ #79) - seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, and feeling
- "Spiritual powers" (see the chain of perception explained) - imagination, thought, comprehension, and memory.
- "Common to the outward and inward" (notice the 4th way of acquiring knowledge, above) - common faculty
Remarks:
03/17/2011 -- Just as St. Patrick carried the message, so too ought we act to bring forth a proper viewpoint.
08/16/2009 -- The Operational group is approaching, and ontology is primal. One area of focus, as suggested by this post, will be mind-body studies. Somehow, insights from the Writings ought to have importance, teleological and operational.
05/29/2009 -- The Transcendent baffles.
Modified: 03/17/2011
Thursday, August 6, 2009
Teleological, remix
Month, Day: Perfection, Light (Justice)
So, we're in the last month of the Teleological group. To what end can this be used? Well, just the use of the T word grates on the ears of the brights. No, they say. There's not aught but nothing. Or, it would seem, if truth be told.
That is, their view has no place for the approach being sought through audacity. Again, thought experiments along this line can be quite interesting.
The telling factor will be effectiveness, though; the issue? As measured by what? Well, we'll get to that. Why?
Everyone has the ability to assess what this topic is addressing, including the whole spectrum of humanity from the lowly, highly restrained one to that set taken to be some type of epitome (culturally defined, yet almost universally applied). The time of the two lives this year allowed us to think of how far we still need to go in this matter.
So, per the norm, the Writings are key, with some local (note, did not say loco) notion applied. For instance, take SAQ #28, please, which looks at something attributed to St. John (Yahyay, if you would).
We see: "The Word of God is sanctified from time." The note says that this refers to Christ. Later, it goes on: "Therefore, the Reality of Christ, Who is the Word of God, with regard to essence, attributes and glory, certainly precedes the creatures."
Well, we just went through the month Words (7th of 19). Using another John, of the Gospel, we know the Word precedes (SAQ #54). Too, we know that there is (has been) a periodic refreshing, so to speak.
So, the long chain of development here was somehow influenced by the comings. How? Ah, not easily told. Is it important within the framework of an enlightened science?
Well, one can talk the human side, somewhat. What applies to matter? See, Iqan #31: "Thus it is that through the rise of these Luminaries of God the world is made new, the waters of everlasting life stream forth, the billows of loving-kindness surge, the clouds of grace are gathered, and the breeze of bounty bloweth upon all created things."
No answers yet, please, as we're still into Questions. But, one dilemma of the modern view is the polarity between two extremes, namely: relativistic morality and religious fundamentalism.
Striking a balance ought to have a powerful influence. That this might be tempted is audacious, indeed.
The anticipation is that the Operational times will be very interesting.
Again, and as a final note, the cycles continue unabated. Something to be thankful for.
But, as a reminder, remember SAQ #37, the basic topological argument when we talk Words to Names, and more.
Oops, another final thought, probably elsewhere stated. This month is the only one where the western month and the Baha'i month have congruence of their starts. Some meaning there, no doubt, as significances are more than happenstance. So, we'll start the Operational with Names on 8/20.
Remarks:
04/21/2010 -- We need to upgrade to a Transcendent Topology.
11/23/2009 -- Motivational thoughts.
10/18/2009 -- Defining challenges might be an interesting task.
09/26/2009 -- An issue for the Operational view.
08/16/2009 -- The Operational group is approaching, and ontology is primal. One area of focus, as suggested by this post, will be mind-body studies. Somehow, insights from the Writings ought to have importance, teleological and operational.
08/13/2009 -- Return applies under the Teleological.
08/12/2009 -- Actually, Perfection and August are the 8th months in their respective calendars. What an interesting congruence (8/1-19)!
Modified: 04/21/2010
So, we're in the last month of the Teleological group. To what end can this be used? Well, just the use of the T word grates on the ears of the brights. No, they say. There's not aught but nothing. Or, it would seem, if truth be told.
That is, their view has no place for the approach being sought through audacity. Again, thought experiments along this line can be quite interesting.
The telling factor will be effectiveness, though; the issue? As measured by what? Well, we'll get to that. Why?
Everyone has the ability to assess what this topic is addressing, including the whole spectrum of humanity from the lowly, highly restrained one to that set taken to be some type of epitome (culturally defined, yet almost universally applied). The time of the two lives this year allowed us to think of how far we still need to go in this matter.
So, per the norm, the Writings are key, with some local (note, did not say loco) notion applied. For instance, take SAQ #28, please, which looks at something attributed to St. John (Yahyay, if you would).
We see: "The Word of God is sanctified from time." The note says that this refers to Christ. Later, it goes on: "Therefore, the Reality of Christ, Who is the Word of God, with regard to essence, attributes and glory, certainly precedes the creatures."
Well, we just went through the month Words (7th of 19). Using another John, of the Gospel, we know the Word precedes (SAQ #54). Too, we know that there is (has been) a periodic refreshing, so to speak.
So, the long chain of development here was somehow influenced by the comings. How? Ah, not easily told. Is it important within the framework of an enlightened science?
Well, one can talk the human side, somewhat. What applies to matter? See, Iqan #31: "Thus it is that through the rise of these Luminaries of God the world is made new, the waters of everlasting life stream forth, the billows of loving-kindness surge, the clouds of grace are gathered, and the breeze of bounty bloweth upon all created things."
No answers yet, please, as we're still into Questions. But, one dilemma of the modern view is the polarity between two extremes, namely: relativistic morality and religious fundamentalism.
Striking a balance ought to have a powerful influence. That this might be tempted is audacious, indeed.
The anticipation is that the Operational times will be very interesting.
Again, and as a final note, the cycles continue unabated. Something to be thankful for.
But, as a reminder, remember SAQ #37, the basic topological argument when we talk Words to Names, and more.
Oops, another final thought, probably elsewhere stated. This month is the only one where the western month and the Baha'i month have congruence of their starts. Some meaning there, no doubt, as significances are more than happenstance. So, we'll start the Operational with Names on 8/20.
Remarks:
04/21/2010 -- We need to upgrade to a Transcendent Topology.
11/23/2009 -- Motivational thoughts.
10/18/2009 -- Defining challenges might be an interesting task.
09/26/2009 -- An issue for the Operational view.
08/16/2009 -- The Operational group is approaching, and ontology is primal. One area of focus, as suggested by this post, will be mind-body studies. Somehow, insights from the Writings ought to have importance, teleological and operational.
08/13/2009 -- Return applies under the Teleological.
08/12/2009 -- Actually, Perfection and August are the 8th months in their respective calendars. What an interesting congruence (8/1-19)!
Modified: 04/21/2010
Wednesday, February 11, 2009
Two lives
Month, Day: Dominion, Mercy (Justice)
Both born on 02/12/1809, Lincoln and Darwin are of interest to the topics of this blog. The former is notable for many reasons (from the rough hewn times of the US), being autodidact is an important one. We'll defer that discussion for another time as knowing is a central theme here.
The latter (from an older culture) will get more worldwide attention. In regard to the continuing debate (in some minds, a closed case), a brief list of related Writings may be in order.
Remarks:
01/25/2011 -- What would be a comprehensive view of phenomena?
03/19/2009 -- Science and knowing are key.
Modified: 01/25/2011
Both born on 02/12/1809, Lincoln and Darwin are of interest to the topics of this blog. The former is notable for many reasons (from the rough hewn times of the US), being autodidact is an important one. We'll defer that discussion for another time as knowing is a central theme here.
The latter (from an older culture) will get more worldwide attention. In regard to the continuing debate (in some minds, a closed case), a brief list of related Writings may be in order.
- -- SAQ #1 : ON THE INFLUENCE OF THE PROPHETS IN THE EVOLUTION OF HUMANITY
- -- SAQ #46: MODIFICATION OF SPECIES
- -- SAQ #47: THE UNIVERSE IS WITHOUT BEGINNING; THE ORIGIN OF MAN ("But from the beginning of man’s existence he is a distinct species.")
- -- "To each among you, we have prescribed a law and a way for acting. If God has so willed, He might have made you a single community, but [He has not done so] that He might test you in what He has given you; so compete in goodness." Qu'ran, 5:48
Remarks:
01/25/2011 -- What would be a comprehensive view of phenomena?
03/19/2009 -- Science and knowing are key.
Modified: 01/25/2011
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Words and more
Month, Day: Words, Splendour (Perfection)
Month, Day: Words, Beauty (Justice)
Gosh, Mercy is gone, but we're not abandoned. The Teleological continues.
And, now that we can look at Words from a new angle, let's see what comes up. Yes, audacity!
Let's start a list of topics related to the theme.
01/25/2012 -- Yes, still at it. Ready to be more audacious. What we're looking for has to do with mind; at some point, it will be allowed by science that we can observe effects (actually, predict, to boot - one step forward will be a more insightful mathematics).
08/05/2009 -- We're still looking at Words, in Perfection, as a continuation toward the Operational.
07/16/2009 -- The list is mostly a set of todo topics.
Words are, have purpose, cause effects (yes), and much more. They are essential to science, yet we know that an abundance of words is not condoned and that deeds ought to outnumber words (the italics mark a paraphrase). Well, that Words is in the Teleological grouping is very significant. Next up? The Operational where then activity is implicit.
From a model theoretic sense, think structure versus behavior (or function). SAQ talks about the long times involved in the development of the states that are necessary for emergence (using the modern vernacular here). Yes, probably longer than the materialistic view computes (easily stated since its in the Tablets that time is endless, being are beyond our counting, and essentially we need a mechanism to handle that (it's a topological matter, again covered in SAQ #37).
Modified: 01/25/2012
Month, Day: Words, Beauty (Justice)
Gosh, Mercy is gone, but we're not abandoned. The Teleological continues.
And, now that we can look at Words from a new angle, let's see what comes up. Yes, audacity!
Let's start a list of topics related to the theme.
- Manifestation, LOGOS, ..., see SAQ #38.
- Nature
- Science, mathematics
- Law and order
- Culture
- Communication, such as the blog and more, though YouTube brings in the visual.
- Dan Seals as one of those can put together a string of words with a melody and then demonstrate what we really need to understand better in our quest for knowledge
- Prayer
- Dreams
- Names
- ...
01/25/2012 -- Yes, still at it. Ready to be more audacious. What we're looking for has to do with mind; at some point, it will be allowed by science that we can observe effects (actually, predict, to boot - one step forward will be a more insightful mathematics).
08/05/2009 -- We're still looking at Words, in Perfection, as a continuation toward the Operational.
07/16/2009 -- The list is mostly a set of todo topics.
Words are, have purpose, cause effects (yes), and much more. They are essential to science, yet we know that an abundance of words is not condoned and that deeds ought to outnumber words (the italics mark a paraphrase). Well, that Words is in the Teleological grouping is very significant. Next up? The Operational where then activity is implicit.
From a model theoretic sense, think structure versus behavior (or function). SAQ talks about the long times involved in the development of the states that are necessary for emergence (using the modern vernacular here). Yes, probably longer than the materialistic view computes (easily stated since its in the Tablets that time is endless, being are beyond our counting, and essentially we need a mechanism to handle that (it's a topological matter, again covered in SAQ #37).
Modified: 01/25/2012
Saturday, October 18, 2008
From Whence
Month, Day: Knowledge, Beauty (Glory)
We know that knowledge is from God, and that there are two main ways to know (SAQ).
Humans seems to want one over the other; the science side is constructive, requires work and is testable; on the other side, Revelation is a function of time and is not testable, in the usual sense.
There are many constructs of science to discuss, however the construct named 'meme' can be used for issues related to knowledge, to how generations progress in development, and so forth. Yet, those who postulate the meme cannot bear to accept that God can be part of the equation, to boot.
How? Well, that is our challenge; there are many avenues that are possible, including using the Writings prepositionally (even propositionally, or do we need a different concept for this application issue?).
On the Revelation side, we know that the Manifestation is periodic; between those events, what we might call small 'r' revelation is from the Manifestation. Nevertheless, this more spiritual side needs attention, albeit through action many times. The main challenge is how spirit and science ought to interplay.
For one thing, a new look at mathematics will be on the table. Some statements in the SAQ are very much topological in nature.
Remarks:
12/07/2009 -- Motivational musings, especially topology.
Modified: 12/07/2009
We know that knowledge is from God, and that there are two main ways to know (SAQ).
Humans seems to want one over the other; the science side is constructive, requires work and is testable; on the other side, Revelation is a function of time and is not testable, in the usual sense.
There are many constructs of science to discuss, however the construct named 'meme' can be used for issues related to knowledge, to how generations progress in development, and so forth. Yet, those who postulate the meme cannot bear to accept that God can be part of the equation, to boot.
How? Well, that is our challenge; there are many avenues that are possible, including using the Writings prepositionally (even propositionally, or do we need a different concept for this application issue?).
On the Revelation side, we know that the Manifestation is periodic; between those events, what we might call small 'r' revelation is from the Manifestation. Nevertheless, this more spiritual side needs attention, albeit through action many times. The main challenge is how spirit and science ought to interplay.
For one thing, a new look at mathematics will be on the table. Some statements in the SAQ are very much topological in nature.
Remarks:
12/07/2009 -- Motivational musings, especially topology.
Modified: 12/07/2009
Tuesday, August 19, 2008
Toward Names
Month, Day: Perfection, Loftiness (Grace)
Names is up next which can lead to all sorts of operational thoughts, related to categories, abstract types, and the like.
A final Perfection entry for the year might be this topological notion.
SAQ #37: We affirm these names and attributes, not to prove the perfections of God, but to deny that He is capable of imperfections. ... If the attributes are not identical with the Essence, there must also be a multiplicity of preexistences, and differences between the attributes and the Essence must also exist; and as Preexistence is necessary, therefore, the sequence of preexistences would become infinite. This is an evident error.
Remarks:
12/07/2009 -- Motivational musings, especially topology.
08/05/2009 -- We'll look at SAQ #37 more in the context of how the Teleological influences.
05/29/2009 -- The Transcendent baffles.
Modified: 12/07/2009
Names is up next which can lead to all sorts of operational thoughts, related to categories, abstract types, and the like.
A final Perfection entry for the year might be this topological notion.
SAQ #37: We affirm these names and attributes, not to prove the perfections of God, but to deny that He is capable of imperfections. ... If the attributes are not identical with the Essence, there must also be a multiplicity of preexistences, and differences between the attributes and the Essence must also exist; and as Preexistence is necessary, therefore, the sequence of preexistences would become infinite. This is an evident error.
Remarks:
12/07/2009 -- Motivational musings, especially topology.
08/05/2009 -- We'll look at SAQ #37 more in the context of how the Teleological influences.
05/29/2009 -- The Transcendent baffles.
Modified: 12/07/2009
Thursday, August 13, 2009
Return
Month, Day: Perfection, Power (Majesty)
Yes, 'return' as mentioned in the Iqan. We know that the Manifestations do so. The SAQ #33 considers other types. What we're interested in is something with which science can deal, even if it has to be via audacity.
Why return? To keep things on course, using a control metaphor.
SAQ #42: Without the irrefutable teachings of those sources of mysteries the human world would become the pasture of animal appetites and qualities, the existence of everything would be unreal, and there would be no true life.
Too, to update the measuring apparatus.
Tablet of Ahmad: Verily this is that Most Great Beauty, foretold in the Books of the Messengers, through Whom truth shall be distinguished from error and the wisdom of every command shall be tested.
Yes, Teleological issues can be addressed.
Remarks:
12/05/2010 -- Need to add that, for some views, the cycles ended. This site will be used for the main Islamic information source, for awhile.
01/26/2010 -- Of note: Twin duties, Free will, Return, Operational time.
11/23/2009 -- Motivational thoughts.
08/16/2009 -- Science, again.
Modified: 12/05/2010
Yes, 'return' as mentioned in the Iqan. We know that the Manifestations do so. The SAQ #33 considers other types. What we're interested in is something with which science can deal, even if it has to be via audacity.
Why return? To keep things on course, using a control metaphor.
SAQ #42: Without the irrefutable teachings of those sources of mysteries the human world would become the pasture of animal appetites and qualities, the existence of everything would be unreal, and there would be no true life.
Too, to update the measuring apparatus.
Tablet of Ahmad: Verily this is that Most Great Beauty, foretold in the Books of the Messengers, through Whom truth shall be distinguished from error and the wisdom of every command shall be tested.
Yes, Teleological issues can be addressed.
Remarks:
12/05/2010 -- Need to add that, for some views, the cycles ended. This site will be used for the main Islamic information source, for awhile.
01/26/2010 -- Of note: Twin duties, Free will, Return, Operational time.
11/23/2009 -- Motivational thoughts.
08/16/2009 -- Science, again.
Modified: 12/05/2010
Friday, May 20, 2011
Peter and motivation
Month, Day: 168, Grandeur, Grandeur (Independence)
As we work constructively to build a basis, we'll look at Motivation from time to time, also.
We'll point a lot to the SAQ, as it is a seminal work. For instance, look at this in relation to Religion and Science.
SAQ #34 (Peter's Confession of Faith): While the religion of God is the promoter of truth, the founder of science and knowledge, it is full of goodwill for learned men; it is the civilizer of mankind, the discoverer of the secrets of nature, and the enlightener of the horizons of the world. Consequently, how can it be said to oppose knowledge?
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Peter will be a central point for several constructive arguments.
Remarks:
05/26/2011 -- A 'super' position can have merit.
Modified: 05/26/2011
As we work constructively to build a basis, we'll look at Motivation from time to time, also.
We'll point a lot to the SAQ, as it is a seminal work. For instance, look at this in relation to Religion and Science.
SAQ #34 (Peter's Confession of Faith): While the religion of God is the promoter of truth, the founder of science and knowledge, it is full of goodwill for learned men; it is the civilizer of mankind, the discoverer of the secrets of nature, and the enlightener of the horizons of the world. Consequently, how can it be said to oppose knowledge?
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Peter will be a central point for several constructive arguments.
Remarks:
05/26/2011 -- A 'super' position can have merit.
Modified: 05/26/2011
Thursday, July 30, 2009
Perfection, remix
Month, Day: Words, Dominion (Majesty)
Month, Day: Perfection, Splendour (Glory)
Well, Words is winding down. It's still the Teleological times. But, thoughts on Perfection seem to want to well with the associated words.
Things that come to mind are Ideal, Sinlessness, etc. There are several discussions about this, such as SAQ 45# .
'Ideal' here is much more than the limited conceptualization of philosophy (except the Platonic version has some appeal).
Right after this month, we'll be into the Operational with Names. Perhaps, Perfection can be used to ponder Names, Might, Will, and Knowledge. That first? It's essential to analysis and technology.
...
This time comes in the middle of the summer in the northern hemisphere, with those days of mature crop advancing to the harvest which is around the corner. One might say, too, time to enjoy the fruits of the labor.
Of course, in the new day, crops are coming to maturity almost all year around, depending up climate and technology. Yet, the pattern will persist.
Hence, thoughts on Perfection are in order, thinking of the gifts of Creation, including, of course, that we can study it via science, yet, the greater gift is that we can live in it as beings. Ah, the science of being? Will that be where audacity can play?
7V4V Knowledge: The wayfarer in this Valley seeth in the fashionings of the True One nothing save clear providence, and at every moment saith: “No defect canst thou see in the creation of the God of Mercy: Repeat the gaze: Seest thou a single flaw?”
Remarks:
08/05/2009 -- We'll look at SAQ #37 more in the context of how the Teleological influences.
Modified: 08/05/2009
Month, Day: Perfection, Splendour (Glory)
Well, Words is winding down. It's still the Teleological times. But, thoughts on Perfection seem to want to well with the associated words.
Things that come to mind are Ideal, Sinlessness, etc. There are several discussions about this, such as SAQ 45# .
'Ideal' here is much more than the limited conceptualization of philosophy (except the Platonic version has some appeal).
Right after this month, we'll be into the Operational with Names. Perhaps, Perfection can be used to ponder Names, Might, Will, and Knowledge. That first? It's essential to analysis and technology.
...
This time comes in the middle of the summer in the northern hemisphere, with those days of mature crop advancing to the harvest which is around the corner. One might say, too, time to enjoy the fruits of the labor.
Of course, in the new day, crops are coming to maturity almost all year around, depending up climate and technology. Yet, the pattern will persist.
Hence, thoughts on Perfection are in order, thinking of the gifts of Creation, including, of course, that we can study it via science, yet, the greater gift is that we can live in it as beings. Ah, the science of being? Will that be where audacity can play?
7V4V Knowledge: The wayfarer in this Valley seeth in the fashionings of the True One nothing save clear providence, and at every moment saith: “No defect canst thou see in the creation of the God of Mercy: Repeat the gaze: Seest thou a single flaw?”
Remarks:
08/05/2009 -- We'll look at SAQ #37 more in the context of how the Teleological influences.
Modified: 08/05/2009
Thursday, February 28, 2008
Changes and more
Month, Day: Intercalary, 3 of 5 (Majesty)
Given the time, we see lots of talk about change and hope. Well, one difference with a Baha'i view of evolution and the secular is how hope plays with the changes found through time.
`Abdu'l-Bahá covered this topic in several places, but let's take one from the SAQ. First we see that the universe has always been as a Creation of God. Now, for the earth in particular (and that would pertain to the solar system, galaxy, and more, one would suppose), there was a gradual development to what we see now as we look at ourselves and at what's outside the window.
The main theme is that God is (El es Dios). We know that man always was, despite what the status of the physical being might have been through time. That the Manifestations always were is a central idea. How the spiritual helped direct the physical is something to ponder. How far can we push this?
Well, we know that there are limits to what we can know; the quasi-empirical notions seem to point to a situation such that our means of knowing are constraints themselves, including that gift we call mathematics.
A columnist recently noted that one difference between science and religion is that the latter acknowledges the mystery (that those who ponder correctly will see as never ending); that is, what we know is within a bounded sphere within something much larger (no matter now far we push the boundary of the sphere, what is outside remains as large - the sphere does not subsume the whole, this is one error of the secular view).
There are topological ideas needed here. `Abdu'l-Bahá touched upon that, too, in the SAQ ("If the attributes are not identical with the Essence, there must also be a multiplicity of preexistences, and differences between the attributes and the Essence must also exist; and as Preexistence is necessary, therefore, the sequence of preexistences would become infinite. This is an evident error.").
These intercalary times, and the Fast, can help us consider those.
Remarks:
12/07/2009 -- Motivational musings, especially topology.
08/16/2009 -- Science, again.
Modified: 12/07/2009
Given the time, we see lots of talk about change and hope. Well, one difference with a Baha'i view of evolution and the secular is how hope plays with the changes found through time.
`Abdu'l-Bahá covered this topic in several places, but let's take one from the SAQ. First we see that the universe has always been as a Creation of God. Now, for the earth in particular (and that would pertain to the solar system, galaxy, and more, one would suppose), there was a gradual development to what we see now as we look at ourselves and at what's outside the window.
The main theme is that God is (El es Dios). We know that man always was, despite what the status of the physical being might have been through time. That the Manifestations always were is a central idea. How the spiritual helped direct the physical is something to ponder. How far can we push this?
Well, we know that there are limits to what we can know; the quasi-empirical notions seem to point to a situation such that our means of knowing are constraints themselves, including that gift we call mathematics.
A columnist recently noted that one difference between science and religion is that the latter acknowledges the mystery (that those who ponder correctly will see as never ending); that is, what we know is within a bounded sphere within something much larger (no matter now far we push the boundary of the sphere, what is outside remains as large - the sphere does not subsume the whole, this is one error of the secular view).
There are topological ideas needed here. `Abdu'l-Bahá touched upon that, too, in the SAQ ("If the attributes are not identical with the Essence, there must also be a multiplicity of preexistences, and differences between the attributes and the Essence must also exist; and as Preexistence is necessary, therefore, the sequence of preexistences would become infinite. This is an evident error.").
These intercalary times, and the Fast, can help us consider those.
Remarks:
12/07/2009 -- Motivational musings, especially topology.
08/16/2009 -- Science, again.
Modified: 12/07/2009
Wednesday, November 17, 2010
Development
Month, Day: 167, Power, Speech (Justice)
As we look at what science can know, plus knowing our twin duties, we need to consider what humans bring forth and what this means to a more full worldview. Then, given that, knowing how to develop the proper attributes will follow.
Remarks:
05/26/2011 -- A 'super' position can have merit.
12/05/2010 -- Is it not true that extreme positions on the axis of the mindful can lead to a god-like state-fulness?
11/21/2010 -- We can make a separation between content and package. That is, we do this from an Operational motive, just to handle difficulty. But, any type of separation is arbitrary; too, such is natural to intelligence; hence, we see interminable conflicts in human affairs. Even when we try to combine things back, which is done via closures (applying compactification, if you would), it is an endless game due to the complexity. That, folks, is our bane of having human spirit. But, from whence is the spirit of faith supposed to get its inspiration and motivation? Ah! That is one theme that we'll be expanding upon. But, for now, consider the implications of SAQ #45: That is to say, that as the supreme Manifestations certainly possess essential infallibility, therefore whatever emanates from Them is identical with the truth, and conformable to reality.
11/20/2010 -- SAQ #55 applies. Simple enough. We can test the spirit of faith. How? Well, do you want all the answers? Questions is coming up. But, here's a hint, though. Do not the brights demonstrate the human spirit (that is, mind)? Wait, that is still an issue to some? Conundrum follows? Maybe not.
Modified: 05/26/2011
As we look at what science can know, plus knowing our twin duties, we need to consider what humans bring forth and what this means to a more full worldview. Then, given that, knowing how to develop the proper attributes will follow.
Remarks:
05/26/2011 -- A 'super' position can have merit.
12/05/2010 -- Is it not true that extreme positions on the axis of the mindful can lead to a god-like state-fulness?
11/21/2010 -- We can make a separation between content and package. That is, we do this from an Operational motive, just to handle difficulty. But, any type of separation is arbitrary; too, such is natural to intelligence; hence, we see interminable conflicts in human affairs. Even when we try to combine things back, which is done via closures (applying compactification, if you would), it is an endless game due to the complexity. That, folks, is our bane of having human spirit. But, from whence is the spirit of faith supposed to get its inspiration and motivation? Ah! That is one theme that we'll be expanding upon. But, for now, consider the implications of SAQ #45: That is to say, that as the supreme Manifestations certainly possess essential infallibility, therefore whatever emanates from Them is identical with the truth, and conformable to reality.
11/20/2010 -- SAQ #55 applies. Simple enough. We can test the spirit of faith. How? Well, do you want all the answers? Questions is coming up. But, here's a hint, though. Do not the brights demonstrate the human spirit (that is, mind)? Wait, that is still an issue to some? Conundrum follows? Maybe not.
Modified: 05/26/2011
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