Month, Day: Loftiness, Power (Independence)
The Writings, such as the Hidden Words and the Valleys (both the 7 and 4), are sufficient to found a strong operational basis for both science and spirituality. Getting to where 'science' and 'spirituality' are not mutually exclusive concepts will be one step that is necessary.
From The Four Valleys: 7V4V 1) "The Self of God standing within Him with laws", 7V4V 2) “Men whom neither merchandise nor traffic beguile from the remembrance of God….”, 7V4V 3) "On this plane, neither the reign of reason is sufficient nor the authority of self.", 7V4V 4) "... bottomless sea ... blackest of nights" BUT "O My Servant! Obey Me and I shall make thee like unto Myself. I say ‘Be,’ and it is, and thou shalt say ‘Be,’ and it shall be." ; ...,
Remarks:
08/31/2012
-- Names, Knowledge, Independence.
10/11/2009 -- Will, an operational imperative for science.
03/19/2009 -- Science and knowing are key.
Modified: 08/31/2012
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Friday, December 26, 2008
We know
Month, Day: Questions, Questions (Independence)
Not only do we know, if we wish to accept it as so, there is an operational aspect that is unerring. One might even say that applied science, in the sense of engineering, uses this all the time. And, notions like dampening and centralizing are part of the knowledge.
On the other hand, even if we do not wish to accept it, it is. That is, the brights may have some limited or temporal influence; lastingness, though, is not impacted.
So, as said before, we know more than one way. And, the continued presence of Writings adds to the basis.
The Hidden Words summarizes what was said to that time: This is that which hath descended from the realm of glory, uttered by the tongue of power and might, and revealed unto the Prophets of old. We have taken the inner essence thereof and clothed it in the garment of brevity, as a token of grace unto the righteous, that they may stand faithful unto the Covenant of God, may fulfill in their lives His trust, and in the realm of spirit obtain the gem of Divine virtue.
The 7V4V combination addresses a lot about phylogeny of ourselves and knowledge.
Collectively, everything else in the Writings is vast, yet kernels are there for our use. How this is so is part of why we have Questions.
Remarks:
05/17/2011 -- Stephen gets press.
05/09/2011 -- We need a constructive re-look.
10/11/2009 -- Will, an operational imperative for science.
06/11/2009 -- Science and Religion.
12/27/2008 - Though we know, it may not appear so to others. That is a conundrum, to say the least. And, we all know that we all do, or can, err.
Also, we are alone in being judged, yet we are expected to team and collaborate. As mentioned, the 7V4V can be used to understand this.
Modified: 05/17/2011
Not only do we know, if we wish to accept it as so, there is an operational aspect that is unerring. One might even say that applied science, in the sense of engineering, uses this all the time. And, notions like dampening and centralizing are part of the knowledge.
On the other hand, even if we do not wish to accept it, it is. That is, the brights may have some limited or temporal influence; lastingness, though, is not impacted.
So, as said before, we know more than one way. And, the continued presence of Writings adds to the basis.
The Hidden Words summarizes what was said to that time: This is that which hath descended from the realm of glory, uttered by the tongue of power and might, and revealed unto the Prophets of old. We have taken the inner essence thereof and clothed it in the garment of brevity, as a token of grace unto the righteous, that they may stand faithful unto the Covenant of God, may fulfill in their lives His trust, and in the realm of spirit obtain the gem of Divine virtue.
The 7V4V combination addresses a lot about phylogeny of ourselves and knowledge.
Collectively, everything else in the Writings is vast, yet kernels are there for our use. How this is so is part of why we have Questions.
Remarks:
05/17/2011 -- Stephen gets press.
05/09/2011 -- We need a constructive re-look.
10/11/2009 -- Will, an operational imperative for science.
06/11/2009 -- Science and Religion.
12/27/2008 - Though we know, it may not appear so to others. That is a conundrum, to say the least. And, we all know that we all do, or can, err.
Also, we are alone in being judged, yet we are expected to team and collaborate. As mentioned, the 7V4V can be used to understand this.
Modified: 05/17/2011
Tuesday, December 20, 2022
7V4V and Night Journey
Month, Day: 179, Questions, Names (Grace)
There have been many posts on the theme of the Seven and Four Valleys. There could be an endless number of these.
The post on the "Night Journey" Surah got me looking at other literature where the Seven Sky theme is discussed. Found some wonderful examples, plus graphics. This is taken from one (see last post).
Have not gone beyond Search, yet; this exercise got me to look at it closely. The mapping is obvious. So, in the spirit of 100,000 years, we'll see how this goes. Perhaps, the chord aspect will get a first look done quickly.
Remarks: 12/20/2022
12/20/2022 -- Okay, full circle. Earlier in the year, I ran into the Hermes connection. I was looking at what's missing with what I call AIn't which is a mechanical mode mimicking (supposedly) mankind's facilities which are not under anyone's thumb, nor will they be. So, lots to bring back to discussion there. Rhetoric was of interest especially when one sees what Google is up to with respect to chat. No amount of this type of manipulation will get beyond this maxim: AIn't can't Kant. Yet, computers have a place which will be remarkable after a few things are settled which will allow the latent energies to flow. Now, having been going through an umpteenth pass through the Koran (Rodwell), I recently resaw the "Night Journey" (which was the theme of this, and of the last, post). 7V4V popped out immediately. So, I did this, but what of Enoch? Tonight I went back to see what was the support for this story, in terms of provenance of the material. That theme will become more important as we get more reliant upon people using their own eyes and brain (common theme). I read some posts that I had earlier, but then Mary (19:56) came up. That gets my attention due to the Bab's mention of Christians being the Apple of His Eye. Too, of late, I have taken the 'image of God' theme further in that the Hidden Words suggest this several ways. Too, equality and justice? It ain't gonna happen without mutual respect. When we have the obvious differences? Yet, we can change the words to think 'infinity' where we show the physics/math modes are inhibiting. Can we? You bet. Then, we can consider that talking of how two infinities relate comes to fore. We can do this, too. It's quite simple. However, it's a side trip, for now. The 'image' theme then gets us back to creation and being children of God. How does that apply within philosophy? Lots to discuss, but we already had that with the paper accessible from the above link (Hermes). Back to the graphic of seven. Enoch and Idris are part of the Islamic tradition. But, it goes further, if you look at the philosophical statements by Baha'u'llah. ... As an aside, being universal, switching gears as we will be back to the theme again and again (see posts here on cycles), there is a book out of the yoga culture from the last decade of 1800. Now, in that book, the yoga scholars noted similarities twixt portions of the OT and the NT and Vedic writings. In fact, the discipline is explained, very well. Too, a puzzle was resolved (see Aqdas mention - bones, as the clue) alluding to this culture. At the same time (synonymous, almost), thoughts in the middle east relate (as seen by a description out of Hasidic scholarship). Not only can one see parallels across all of the cultures, but some of the more puzzling ones can be brought into the discussion. Oblique mode? Not really. Back to Enoch, which Unity relates to. Using this yesterday with respect to Adam and Search made a whole lot of sense. A tradition of Adam crying when his people (all of us) were in Hell and laughing when they were in Heaven will be on the table, with respect to a Prayer sent to a New Englander by the Master (there are posts here on that). That Jesus and John the Baptist are of Love is quite resonant at all levels. Then, Joseph of Knowledge? We'll stop with Enoch's Unity as our whole framework for creating a balance flows through there. I'll put up a graphic here used earlier and quit, for now.
Chords? Ah, the power of music and its mathematical cousins. Philosophy is not merely a discipline of words, only. We can use Kant's thoughts, given his timeframe (before the limit of the two types of knowledge was dropped; but very good at describing the issues despite the handicap). Oh yes, situational aspects of late that need attention and more than passing interest with respect to these themes: See JP and RC-H discussion of a new approach to therapy.
Friday, June 8, 2018
Archetypal
Monday, February 2, 2009
More Questions
Month, Day: Sovereignty, Questions (Perfection)
Questions are a major theme, with the monthly renewal. Not that we cannot ask audacious questions, daily, in our review.
So, here are a few.
Remarks:
12/06/2009 -- The Motivational implies goals and actions.
08/16/2009 -- The Operational group is approaching, and ontology is primal. One area of focus, as suggested by this post, will be mind-body studies. Somehow, insights from the Writings ought to have importance, teleological and operational.
06/11/2009 -- Science and Religion.
02/06/2009 -- The Book that will be used to augment 7V4V, for some deep study.
If you look at the world, you see those with and those without. That applies to any attribute, yet money collection (the supposed rich state) and intelligence are a couple that are obvious in their possible measurements -- the former more so than the latter (thanks, Stephen Jay Gould, 1941-2002). But, in terms of the latter, the idiot on this side may very well be on an upper part of the above-mentioned hierarchies on the other. You see, the IQ (of which those who process better here and gloat thereby),as an operational means, has no bearing on the measuring a soul's worth; in fact, too much of the IQ can be as deadly as is money to the rich guy (parable of the camel and the eye's needle).
Why even mention this? Well, true science will be non-elitist and will be such that any who desires to do so can contribute. So, institutional comparative worthiness would take a back seat to the true human-based endeavor that will be necessary for us to really progress as inhabitants of space and time via nature's earth.
Too, time is only on this side. Let's say that as measured by the clocking mechanisms. Yet, as hierarchies imply, there is order. So, event ordering is very much a persistent phenomenon, even though each moment is really the whole.
Modified: 12/06/2009
Questions are a major theme, with the monthly renewal. Not that we cannot ask audacious questions, daily, in our review.
So, here are a few.
- -- There are hierarchies, in the Kingdom (to wit, see Wikipedia). Of course, we have divisions along all sorts of axes in Creation. These we can learn via science, in the most general view of our ability to know. Is that Kingdom heirarchy, by necessity, shown in the life in the natural world, that is, what we see within human existence? Why ask? Well, we are to strive. Accomplishment trinkets accrue in various situations.
- -- There is a weekly Attribute of Independence. How far does Independent Investigation of the Truth carry for individual endeavor? There is a balance, we know, since 'groups' are mentioned in several contexts in the Writings. But, look how the 'groupal' mind of science has seemed to have gone far astray. Hence, the necessity of audacity (as mentioned above and elsewhere) seems to be a given.
- -- In terms of the hierarchies (above), are these in any way related to the 'smarts' as we see them measured and demonstrated in the natural realm? Well, we could probably say not really and not be far off the mark. Iqan, 233: "The understanding of His words and the comprehension of the utterances of the Birds of Heaven are in no wise dependent upon human learning. They depend solely upon purity of heart, chastity of soul, and freedom of spirit."
Remarks:
12/06/2009 -- The Motivational implies goals and actions.
08/16/2009 -- The Operational group is approaching, and ontology is primal. One area of focus, as suggested by this post, will be mind-body studies. Somehow, insights from the Writings ought to have importance, teleological and operational.
06/11/2009 -- Science and Religion.
02/06/2009 -- The Book that will be used to augment 7V4V, for some deep study.
If you look at the world, you see those with and those without. That applies to any attribute, yet money collection (the supposed rich state) and intelligence are a couple that are obvious in their possible measurements -- the former more so than the latter (thanks, Stephen Jay Gould, 1941-2002). But, in terms of the latter, the idiot on this side may very well be on an upper part of the above-mentioned hierarchies on the other. You see, the IQ (of which those who process better here and gloat thereby),as an operational means, has no bearing on the measuring a soul's worth; in fact, too much of the IQ can be as deadly as is money to the rich guy (parable of the camel and the eye's needle).
Why even mention this? Well, true science will be non-elitist and will be such that any who desires to do so can contribute. So, institutional comparative worthiness would take a back seat to the true human-based endeavor that will be necessary for us to really progress as inhabitants of space and time via nature's earth.
Too, time is only on this side. Let's say that as measured by the clocking mechanisms. Yet, as hierarchies imply, there is order. So, event ordering is very much a persistent phenomenon, even though each moment is really the whole.
Modified: 12/06/2009
Thursday, July 30, 2009
Perfection, remix
Month, Day: Words, Dominion (Majesty)
Month, Day: Perfection, Splendour (Glory)
Well, Words is winding down. It's still the Teleological times. But, thoughts on Perfection seem to want to well with the associated words.
Things that come to mind are Ideal, Sinlessness, etc. There are several discussions about this, such as SAQ 45# .
'Ideal' here is much more than the limited conceptualization of philosophy (except the Platonic version has some appeal).
Right after this month, we'll be into the Operational with Names. Perhaps, Perfection can be used to ponder Names, Might, Will, and Knowledge. That first? It's essential to analysis and technology.
...
This time comes in the middle of the summer in the northern hemisphere, with those days of mature crop advancing to the harvest which is around the corner. One might say, too, time to enjoy the fruits of the labor.
Of course, in the new day, crops are coming to maturity almost all year around, depending up climate and technology. Yet, the pattern will persist.
Hence, thoughts on Perfection are in order, thinking of the gifts of Creation, including, of course, that we can study it via science, yet, the greater gift is that we can live in it as beings. Ah, the science of being? Will that be where audacity can play?
7V4V Knowledge: The wayfarer in this Valley seeth in the fashionings of the True One nothing save clear providence, and at every moment saith: “No defect canst thou see in the creation of the God of Mercy: Repeat the gaze: Seest thou a single flaw?”
Remarks:
08/05/2009 -- We'll look at SAQ #37 more in the context of how the Teleological influences.
Modified: 08/05/2009
Month, Day: Perfection, Splendour (Glory)
Well, Words is winding down. It's still the Teleological times. But, thoughts on Perfection seem to want to well with the associated words.
Things that come to mind are Ideal, Sinlessness, etc. There are several discussions about this, such as SAQ 45# .
'Ideal' here is much more than the limited conceptualization of philosophy (except the Platonic version has some appeal).
Right after this month, we'll be into the Operational with Names. Perhaps, Perfection can be used to ponder Names, Might, Will, and Knowledge. That first? It's essential to analysis and technology.
...
This time comes in the middle of the summer in the northern hemisphere, with those days of mature crop advancing to the harvest which is around the corner. One might say, too, time to enjoy the fruits of the labor.
Of course, in the new day, crops are coming to maturity almost all year around, depending up climate and technology. Yet, the pattern will persist.
Hence, thoughts on Perfection are in order, thinking of the gifts of Creation, including, of course, that we can study it via science, yet, the greater gift is that we can live in it as beings. Ah, the science of being? Will that be where audacity can play?
7V4V Knowledge: The wayfarer in this Valley seeth in the fashionings of the True One nothing save clear providence, and at every moment saith: “No defect canst thou see in the creation of the God of Mercy: Repeat the gaze: Seest thou a single flaw?”
Remarks:
08/05/2009 -- We'll look at SAQ #37 more in the context of how the Teleological influences.
Modified: 08/05/2009
Friday, February 29, 2008
Existence or not
Month, Day: Intercalary, 4 of 5 (Independence)
One source for stumbling on the issues related to an improved framework for science and knowledge deals with the limits associated with one within a system trying to study the system; the fact is that we have no facility for removing ourselves from the system, even with our best tools obtained via advanced mathematics.
That Creation is, and there for us (in many ways), has somehow to be integrated into our working mindset.
So, to begin and to not go very far, let's look at the SAQ of `Abdu'l-Bahá. As a reminder, the main thrust will be that the Writings do provide a basis that can be operational in more than just a spiritual, or an administrative or a behavioral, sense.
We know God through the Manifestations and Attributes (SAQ #37); we ought to consider that the Attributes are one with the Essence (SAQ #59); finally, "The names and attributes of God require the existence of beings" (SAQ #80). God's creation is then what we know through experience and experiment which is, essentially, science.
Now, various means, through time, limited what was necessary for science, with Occam playing one of the key roles. One impetus for these limits has been insufficient grounds for introducing additional factors; the application of reason, and educated guessing, have emerged as a couple of, though not the only, practices (see SAQ #83).
But, what if there were a means to offer insights that are supported by a firmer method?
Of course, that someone could do this, make progress, and then reveal the method might just be the modus operandi. How many times have we heard about dreams offering some notion for solution to problems? We can point to comments about dreams, such as 7V4V, The Valley Of Wonderment, yet damper the enthusiasm with some needed caution (see SAQ #71).
Of course, there are other practices that can be discussed. These, and related ideas, will be explored during the coming months, hopefully, without hubris.
Remarks:
01/25/2012 -- Yes, still at it. Ready to be more audacious. What we're looking for has to do with mind; at some point, it will be allowed by science that we can observe effects (actually, predict, to boot - one step forward will be a more insightful mathematics).
10/11/2009 -- Will, an operational imperative for science.
Modified: 01/25/2012
One source for stumbling on the issues related to an improved framework for science and knowledge deals with the limits associated with one within a system trying to study the system; the fact is that we have no facility for removing ourselves from the system, even with our best tools obtained via advanced mathematics.
That Creation is, and there for us (in many ways), has somehow to be integrated into our working mindset.
So, to begin and to not go very far, let's look at the SAQ of `Abdu'l-Bahá. As a reminder, the main thrust will be that the Writings do provide a basis that can be operational in more than just a spiritual, or an administrative or a behavioral, sense.
We know God through the Manifestations and Attributes (SAQ #37); we ought to consider that the Attributes are one with the Essence (SAQ #59); finally, "The names and attributes of God require the existence of beings" (SAQ #80). God's creation is then what we know through experience and experiment which is, essentially, science.
Now, various means, through time, limited what was necessary for science, with Occam playing one of the key roles. One impetus for these limits has been insufficient grounds for introducing additional factors; the application of reason, and educated guessing, have emerged as a couple of, though not the only, practices (see SAQ #83).
But, what if there were a means to offer insights that are supported by a firmer method?
Of course, that someone could do this, make progress, and then reveal the method might just be the modus operandi. How many times have we heard about dreams offering some notion for solution to problems? We can point to comments about dreams, such as 7V4V, The Valley Of Wonderment, yet damper the enthusiasm with some needed caution (see SAQ #71).
Of course, there are other practices that can be discussed. These, and related ideas, will be explored during the coming months, hopefully, without hubris.
Remarks:
01/25/2012 -- Yes, still at it. Ready to be more audacious. What we're looking for has to do with mind; at some point, it will be allowed by science that we can observe effects (actually, predict, to boot - one step forward will be a more insightful mathematics).
10/11/2009 -- Will, an operational imperative for science.
Modified: 01/25/2012
Friday, December 12, 2008
Questions and more
Month, Day: Questions, Splendour (Independence)
Month, Day: Questions, Beauty (Beauty)
This is a central theme, especially for science, both operationally and theoretically. Science (as the greatest gift) does not exist without questions.
Now, we have a whole month to contemplate and explore things related to the topic. Of course, one month is not sufficient, but the proper focus can bolster our audacity.
Part of the discussion will look at the growing role of the artificial in terms of what it might mean to us. Notice, for instance, the interests of the brights.
Another part of the discussion will look at how we know, such as through effort or intuitively. We can take this further in an useful way as we look at four ways of acquiring knowledge (SAQ #83) in terms of an operational approach to science. The following are the ways in the order as specified (much significance here).
Remarks:
03/17/2011 -- Just as St. Patrick carried the message, so too ought we act to bring forth a proper viewpoint.
08/16/2009 -- The Operational group is approaching, and ontology is primal. One area of focus, as suggested by this post, will be mind-body studies. Somehow, insights from the Writings ought to have importance, teleological and operational.
05/29/2009 -- The Transcendent baffles.
Modified: 03/17/2011
Month, Day: Questions, Beauty (Beauty)
This is a central theme, especially for science, both operationally and theoretically. Science (as the greatest gift) does not exist without questions.
Now, we have a whole month to contemplate and explore things related to the topic. Of course, one month is not sufficient, but the proper focus can bolster our audacity.
Part of the discussion will look at the growing role of the artificial in terms of what it might mean to us. Notice, for instance, the interests of the brights.
Another part of the discussion will look at how we know, such as through effort or intuitively. We can take this further in an useful way as we look at four ways of acquiring knowledge (SAQ #83) in terms of an operational approach to science. The following are the ways in the order as specified (much significance here).
- Senses - Not only would we need to consider that only a few things are directly available to ourselves, with limits by time and locale, our senses have been augmented in very many ways. In fact, looking at what the artificial (see above) there is really no end to how far we can push this. Though, at some point, any abstraction chain breaks away from reality. Yet, as we have already seen, the human race is capable of seeing far beyond the horizon (to wit, those things supporting cosmology) and beneath surface (that related to physics in the small) and everywhere in-between.
- Reason - Which then leads to the way of thought (see below) and, naturally, to mathematics and logic. The limit of reason has been extensively discussed in the last few centuries, but one important concept to remember in this case is quasi-empircisim. In actuality, reason encompasses much more than just thought as we have learned quite well due to our computer prowess.
- Tradition - In a sense, this is acquired knowledge as the first two involve more processing. This knowledge would include how the first two are handled and involve a myriad of issues, such as paradigms, practices, etc.
- Holy Spirit - Too much to cover here for this brief post, yet consider that the man-in-the-loop emphasis of some complex problem solving techniques make use of this reality, suggesting, of course, borgs and man-bots as we could expect from the 4th Valley.
- "Five powers that perceive outer existences" (acknowledging, of course, the realness of existence SAQ #79) - seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, and feeling
- "Spiritual powers" (see the chain of perception explained) - imagination, thought, comprehension, and memory.
- "Common to the outward and inward" (notice the 4th way of acquiring knowledge, above) - common faculty
Remarks:
03/17/2011 -- Just as St. Patrick carried the message, so too ought we act to bring forth a proper viewpoint.
08/16/2009 -- The Operational group is approaching, and ontology is primal. One area of focus, as suggested by this post, will be mind-body studies. Somehow, insights from the Writings ought to have importance, teleological and operational.
05/29/2009 -- The Transcendent baffles.
Modified: 03/17/2011
Saturday, April 21, 2012
Five points
Month, Day: 169, Glory, Power (Glory)
Today, Ridvan. Looking at some related material, I came across the Symbols. And, then I saw the Tablet of the Bab written as a five-pointed star.
Well, have to admit, haven't seen that before.
And, the meanderings today looked at Names of God (Attributes).
---
Earlier, there had been discussion about the Groups. Picking a partitioning by four was arbitrary, but that did allow a type of coherent view which had some operational appeal. Part of the discussion used 'chords' which seems to be implied in the 7V4V.
---
Let's consider a five partition.
I will have to use the current measure to consider the theme further.
Remarks:
04/22/2012 --So, we have both a 4x5 and a 5x4. The former has been looked at for awhile. The latter will be the focus of attention for a few posts. Then, we'll relate the two viewpoints.
Modified: 04/22/2012
Today, Ridvan. Looking at some related material, I came across the Symbols. And, then I saw the Tablet of the Bab written as a five-pointed star.
Well, have to admit, haven't seen that before.
And, the meanderings today looked at Names of God (Attributes).
---
Earlier, there had been discussion about the Groups. Picking a partitioning by four was arbitrary, but that did allow a type of coherent view which had some operational appeal. Part of the discussion used 'chords' which seems to be implied in the 7V4V.
---
Let's consider a five partition.
- Splendour, Glory, Beauty, Grandeur, Light (so far, it looks cohesive)
- Mercy, Words, Perfection, Names, Might (again)
- Will, Knowledge, Power, Speech, Questions (ah, operational efforts, and science)
- Honour, Dominion, Sovereignty, Intercalary, Loftiness (with the buffer period, there is an even split)
I will have to use the current measure to consider the theme further.
Remarks:
04/22/2012 --So, we have both a 4x5 and a 5x4. The former has been looked at for awhile. The latter will be the focus of attention for a few posts. Then, we'll relate the two viewpoints.
Modified: 04/22/2012
Monday, January 12, 2009
Honour of science
Month, Day: Honour, Knowledge (Perfection)
As a gift, science allows us to question and to know; too, we can found the audacious view that will be almost antithetical, in a sense, to the normal. This view would, of course, use the Writings such as the 7V4V.
Seven Valleys: "to the end that every man may testify, in himself, by himself, in the station of the Manifestation of his Lord, that verily there is no God save Him, and that every man may thereby win his way to the summit of realities, until none shall contemplate anything whatsoever but that he shall see God therein."
Remarks:
10/02/2009 -- World embracing, at its best.
05/29/2009 -- The Transcendent baffles.
Modified: 10/02/2009
As a gift, science allows us to question and to know; too, we can found the audacious view that will be almost antithetical, in a sense, to the normal. This view would, of course, use the Writings such as the 7V4V.
Seven Valleys: "to the end that every man may testify, in himself, by himself, in the station of the Manifestation of his Lord, that verily there is no God save Him, and that every man may thereby win his way to the summit of realities, until none shall contemplate anything whatsoever but that he shall see God therein."
Remarks:
10/02/2009 -- World embracing, at its best.
05/29/2009 -- The Transcendent baffles.
Modified: 10/02/2009
Wednesday, October 22, 2008
Knowledge and Words
Month, Day: Knowledge, Words (Justice)
Words are more than things thought and spoken, ignoring, of course, Words as LOGOS since this is beyond our comprehension. Modern words can be mathematical or computational.
Now, in terms of knowing constructively and with effort, words build upon one another. It's a recursive thing as we saw with Church, Turing, et al. Somehow Creation works similarly, as we see from quasi-empirical analysis. Yet, there is more that will need to be described and applied so as to have an effect on the foundational issues of science and mathematics.
But, the Writings are not constructive in the above sense. Even with the sequences implied in the 7 and 4 Valleys, what the Words do is describe some aspect of Being. To be taken as axiomatic, something else is needed.
That would be a human talent yet to be uncovered.
In total, the Writings are hugely existential and beyond grasp; the wonderful metaphor of the sea is very much apropos.
But are there operational aspects to the Writings that we can apply? Well, there is meditation, prayer and action. It would be interesting to hear about such having direct influence on some scientific ponders.
Are there other uses? Well, given that we are dealing with Creation, one would think so.
Has anyone yet proposed such use successfully?
7V4V: Obey Me and I will make you like unto Myself. I say Be and it Is. You will say Be and it will be.
Remarks:
08/16/2009 -- The Operational group is approaching, and ontology is primal. One area of focus, as suggested by this post, will be mind-body studies. Somehow, insights from the Writings ought to have importance, teleological and operational.
Modified: 08/16/2009
Words are more than things thought and spoken, ignoring, of course, Words as LOGOS since this is beyond our comprehension. Modern words can be mathematical or computational.
Now, in terms of knowing constructively and with effort, words build upon one another. It's a recursive thing as we saw with Church, Turing, et al. Somehow Creation works similarly, as we see from quasi-empirical analysis. Yet, there is more that will need to be described and applied so as to have an effect on the foundational issues of science and mathematics.
But, the Writings are not constructive in the above sense. Even with the sequences implied in the 7 and 4 Valleys, what the Words do is describe some aspect of Being. To be taken as axiomatic, something else is needed.
That would be a human talent yet to be uncovered.
In total, the Writings are hugely existential and beyond grasp; the wonderful metaphor of the sea is very much apropos.
But are there operational aspects to the Writings that we can apply? Well, there is meditation, prayer and action. It would be interesting to hear about such having direct influence on some scientific ponders.
Are there other uses? Well, given that we are dealing with Creation, one would think so.
Has anyone yet proposed such use successfully?
7V4V: Obey Me and I will make you like unto Myself. I say Be and it Is. You will say Be and it will be.
Remarks:
08/16/2009 -- The Operational group is approaching, and ontology is primal. One area of focus, as suggested by this post, will be mind-body studies. Somehow, insights from the Writings ought to have importance, teleological and operational.
Modified: 08/16/2009
Tuesday, February 17, 2009
Two times
Month, Day: Dominion, Knowledge (Grace)
In a proper science, we can (will) find sufficiency.
7V4V, Unity: In thine outward appearance, thou tellest of the appearance of power in the realms of divine creation; in thine inward being thou revealest the hidden mysteries which are the divine trust deposited within thee.
SAQ #15: These virtues do not appear from the reality of man except through the power of God and the divine teachings, for they need supernatural power for their manifestation. It may be that in the world of nature a trace of these perfections may appear, but they are unstable and ephemeral; they are like the rays of the sun upon the wall.
Remarks:
01/25/2011 -- What would be a comprehensive view of phenomena?
Modified: 01/25/2011
In a proper science, we can (will) find sufficiency.
7V4V, Unity: In thine outward appearance, thou tellest of the appearance of power in the realms of divine creation; in thine inward being thou revealest the hidden mysteries which are the divine trust deposited within thee.
SAQ #15: These virtues do not appear from the reality of man except through the power of God and the divine teachings, for they need supernatural power for their manifestation. It may be that in the world of nature a trace of these perfections may appear, but they are unstable and ephemeral; they are like the rays of the sun upon the wall.
Remarks:
01/25/2011 -- What would be a comprehensive view of phenomena?
Modified: 01/25/2011
Saturday, March 28, 2009
The Teleological
Month, Day: Splendour, Words (Independence)
Month, Day: Splendour, Perfection (Glory)
In the context of audacity, there is much to this group (Light, Mercy, Words, Perfection). Particulars related to mathematics also pertain to the Operational (Names, Might, Will, Knowledge) group, starting with Names.
Perfection allows that we always have, and can know, ideals.
HW #76: Guidance hath ever been given by words, and now it is given by deeds.
SAQ #54: Now the writing emanates from the writer, and the discourse emanates from the speaker, and in the same way the human spirit emanates from God.
7V4V Knowledge: The wayfarer in this Valley seeth in the fashionings of the True One nothing save clear providence, and at every moment saith: “No defect canst thou see in the creation of the God of Mercy: Repeat the gaze: Seest thou a single flaw?”
Remarks:
11/23/2009 -- Motivational thoughts.
08/13/2009 -- Return applies under the Teleological.
05/29/2009 -- The Transcendent baffles.
Modified: 11/23/2009
Month, Day: Splendour, Perfection (Glory)
In the context of audacity, there is much to this group (Light, Mercy, Words, Perfection). Particulars related to mathematics also pertain to the Operational (Names, Might, Will, Knowledge) group, starting with Names.
Perfection allows that we always have, and can know, ideals.
HW #76: Guidance hath ever been given by words, and now it is given by deeds.
SAQ #54: Now the writing emanates from the writer, and the discourse emanates from the speaker, and in the same way the human spirit emanates from God.
7V4V Knowledge: The wayfarer in this Valley seeth in the fashionings of the True One nothing save clear providence, and at every moment saith: “No defect canst thou see in the creation of the God of Mercy: Repeat the gaze: Seest thou a single flaw?”
Remarks:
11/23/2009 -- Motivational thoughts.
08/13/2009 -- Return applies under the Teleological.
05/29/2009 -- The Transcendent baffles.
Modified: 11/23/2009
Sunday, March 16, 2014
Qiblih, again
Month, Day: 170, Loftiness, Questions (Beauty)
I have thought about this for years and finally feel a motivation to write the thought. It has to do with what is real or not. Or, in other words, the world is both flat and round.
Take this site, as an example.
http://qiblih.com/
Great site. Wonderful abstractions are behind the idea. Yet, it's based upon a crow's flight argument. Too, it puts apparatus of various sorts into the way of another look at things.
You see, we know the earth is round, orbits the sun, and the like. That is, we have the modern view, supposed by modern science, that tells us that we are not central to any big view (actually, the whole role of modern science is to diminish the human aspect -- error upon error -- all around).
Oh, but we are central. In all sorts of senses. So, let me argue this point: the earth may be round, but the world is flat.
For one basis, let me point you to the Koran's descriptions of Paradise. Too, just consider, for those who dream, how we have this reality with us (see 7V4V, to boot). There is a whole lot of discussion that we can have.
So, the great circle may be the shortest way that we can physically get to the Quiblih. And, it goes off at some nonsensical angle (yes, used properly) from where one is. But, consider what is at the base of the great circle and its direction. Yes, there is a vector that cuts through matter (ought it be the proper focus?). That is, we can worm-hole our way in a manner that is just as effective.
That, mind you, is a potential prayer orientation, to boot. And, you might consider, that as you go away from the Qiblih, all sorts of directions are just as appropriate.
Aside: Of course, one might argue that the great circle forces your sight up. True. But, pray tell, to where are your eyes more easily turned when on the knees with head bowed? Yes, that direction that takes you directly to the Source.
---
The world is flat! Yes, this is being proposed from a Hilbert-influenced (nuanced) viewpoint. Audacious? You bet.
Just think of the machinations of the Creator that resulted in us having an existential experience that is properly attuned to what is to come. No, we're not counting angels on a pinhead; rather, science will need to be perturbed back to some semblance of sanity through inputs that are outside of the box (Hilbert's).
Remarks:
03/16/2014 --
Modified: 03/16/2014
I have thought about this for years and finally feel a motivation to write the thought. It has to do with what is real or not. Or, in other words, the world is both flat and round.
Take this site, as an example.
http://qiblih.com/
Great site. Wonderful abstractions are behind the idea. Yet, it's based upon a crow's flight argument. Too, it puts apparatus of various sorts into the way of another look at things.
You see, we know the earth is round, orbits the sun, and the like. That is, we have the modern view, supposed by modern science, that tells us that we are not central to any big view (actually, the whole role of modern science is to diminish the human aspect -- error upon error -- all around).
Oh, but we are central. In all sorts of senses. So, let me argue this point: the earth may be round, but the world is flat.
For one basis, let me point you to the Koran's descriptions of Paradise. Too, just consider, for those who dream, how we have this reality with us (see 7V4V, to boot). There is a whole lot of discussion that we can have.
So, the great circle may be the shortest way that we can physically get to the Quiblih. And, it goes off at some nonsensical angle (yes, used properly) from where one is. But, consider what is at the base of the great circle and its direction. Yes, there is a vector that cuts through matter (ought it be the proper focus?). That is, we can worm-hole our way in a manner that is just as effective.
That, mind you, is a potential prayer orientation, to boot. And, you might consider, that as you go away from the Qiblih, all sorts of directions are just as appropriate.
Aside: Of course, one might argue that the great circle forces your sight up. True. But, pray tell, to where are your eyes more easily turned when on the knees with head bowed? Yes, that direction that takes you directly to the Source.
---
The world is flat! Yes, this is being proposed from a Hilbert-influenced (nuanced) viewpoint. Audacious? You bet.
Just think of the machinations of the Creator that resulted in us having an existential experience that is properly attuned to what is to come. No, we're not counting angels on a pinhead; rather, science will need to be perturbed back to some semblance of sanity through inputs that are outside of the box (Hilbert's).
Remarks:
03/16/2014 --
Modified: 03/16/2014
Monday, June 23, 2008
Light was and is
Month, Day: Light, Loftiness (Perfection)
Light is ending today, as we go into the summer months of Mercy, then Words, then Perfection, and Names.
Light, which brought in the summer period, can support endless study and reflection. Light allows us to use the Hubble to show the limitlessness of the universe and pertains to much more, such as the technologies behind these new ways of communicating.
Hence, the mention in an earlier post about the operational aspects which are important to us (see ending of the 4th Valley of Four - Obey Me and I will make you like unto Myself. I say Be and it Is. You will say Be and it will be).
Mercy is what we're not to take for granted (SAQ #66) but that which we can (ought to) see as necessary.
That Perfection comes in this sequence pertains to the quote in the 7V4V (from the Quran -- No defect canst thou see in the creation of the God of Mercy: Repeat the gaze: Seest thou a single flaw?) that no matter where you look at Creation you see no flaws (so to speak).
Words and Names relate to technology, to boot, in several ways.
One problem with the modern age is that the 'operational' has taken precedence which would not have been so bad but that greed has interspersed itself so as to appear as the most rational of all stances.
You see, while we are here, with our free Will (fall month) and Independence (Friday), we can apply any operational scheme that remains within the proper scope (Covenant). This type of associative mapping could go on forever.
In short right now, as the posts will continue to unfold themes of this nature, one test for those who are enabled (by the Faith and Creation) relates to the peerage and the 'groupal' requirements, as we have been counseled that none stands in need of his neighbor when facing the review of one's life (St Peter's roll, from one view) and have been told that God loves those who works in groups.
You see, science is public; perhaps, some private aspect ought to be defined for the purposes of advancing further than mean-seeking dynamics allow.
A case in point can be described this way: A scientist (chemist?) noted that his early work included seeing molecules as beings (paraphrasing) which conceptual talent, when he admitted such, was labeled as unhealthy by certain views (materialistic brain expertise). Essentially, the guy lost his ability through conscious avoidance (perhaps, even with some pharmaceutical assistance) and gained success in his field through the usual methods.
My question: What was lost here with this type of suppression?
Remarks:
07/26/2009 -- The Operational times will be fun.
05/29/2009 -- The Transcendent baffles.
Modified: 07/26/2009
Light is ending today, as we go into the summer months of Mercy, then Words, then Perfection, and Names.
Light, which brought in the summer period, can support endless study and reflection. Light allows us to use the Hubble to show the limitlessness of the universe and pertains to much more, such as the technologies behind these new ways of communicating.
Hence, the mention in an earlier post about the operational aspects which are important to us (see ending of the 4th Valley of Four - Obey Me and I will make you like unto Myself. I say Be and it Is. You will say Be and it will be).
Mercy is what we're not to take for granted (SAQ #66) but that which we can (ought to) see as necessary.
That Perfection comes in this sequence pertains to the quote in the 7V4V (from the Quran -- No defect canst thou see in the creation of the God of Mercy: Repeat the gaze: Seest thou a single flaw?) that no matter where you look at Creation you see no flaws (so to speak).
Words and Names relate to technology, to boot, in several ways.
One problem with the modern age is that the 'operational' has taken precedence which would not have been so bad but that greed has interspersed itself so as to appear as the most rational of all stances.
You see, while we are here, with our free Will (fall month) and Independence (Friday), we can apply any operational scheme that remains within the proper scope (Covenant). This type of associative mapping could go on forever.
In short right now, as the posts will continue to unfold themes of this nature, one test for those who are enabled (by the Faith and Creation) relates to the peerage and the 'groupal' requirements, as we have been counseled that none stands in need of his neighbor when facing the review of one's life (St Peter's roll, from one view) and have been told that God loves those who works in groups.
You see, science is public; perhaps, some private aspect ought to be defined for the purposes of advancing further than mean-seeking dynamics allow.
A case in point can be described this way: A scientist (chemist?) noted that his early work included seeing molecules as beings (paraphrasing) which conceptual talent, when he admitted such, was labeled as unhealthy by certain views (materialistic brain expertise). Essentially, the guy lost his ability through conscious avoidance (perhaps, even with some pharmaceutical assistance) and gained success in his field through the usual methods.
My question: What was lost here with this type of suppression?
Remarks:
07/26/2009 -- The Operational times will be fun.
05/29/2009 -- The Transcendent baffles.
Modified: 07/26/2009
Wednesday, June 13, 2018
Hud and its sisters
Month, Day: 175, Light, Names (Justice)
Fifty years ago, the recommendation was Rodwell's translation, or Sale's. I picked the former first. Later, I got the latter. I have gone through the former several times. Of late, I picked it up again in order to be a little more thorough. Say, looking at footnotes.
It is nice to see that there is an on-line copy, via archive[.]org (support them).
https://archive.org/stream/TheKoranTranslatedByRodwell/Quran-Rodwell#page/n0/mode/2up
Frankly, I do not read in the normal sense. I pick up a book and just randomly choose a page. That mode is what Arthur Koestler talked about in terms of the 'library angel' (opening doors). Today, I opened at Hud which has been one of several favorites (Mary is another). And, I saw this footnote related to sister Surahs. Had not seen that before.
Well, too, I noted my notes, many pointing back to references to this text from the Writings, especially 7V4V. So, sisters? Rodwell had two. Then, I see that some have more sisters. One example (https://muslimmatters.org/2017/08/25/surah-hud-has-made-me-grow-old/).
But backing up. These links help step the stage for going forward. We are dealing with translations, so nuances abound.
Looks like some fun will be ahead.
Remarks: Modified: 06/13/2018
06/13/2018 --
Fifty years ago, the recommendation was Rodwell's translation, or Sale's. I picked the former first. Later, I got the latter. I have gone through the former several times. Of late, I picked it up again in order to be a little more thorough. Say, looking at footnotes.
It is nice to see that there is an on-line copy, via archive[.]org (support them).
https://archive.org/stream/TheKoranTranslatedByRodwell/Quran-Rodwell#page/n0/mode/2up
Frankly, I do not read in the normal sense. I pick up a book and just randomly choose a page. That mode is what Arthur Koestler talked about in terms of the 'library angel' (opening doors). Today, I opened at Hud which has been one of several favorites (Mary is another). And, I saw this footnote related to sister Surahs. Had not seen that before.
Well, too, I noted my notes, many pointing back to references to this text from the Writings, especially 7V4V. So, sisters? Rodwell had two. Then, I see that some have more sisters. One example (https://muslimmatters.org/2017/08/25/surah-hud-has-made-me-grow-old/).
But backing up. These links help step the stage for going forward. We are dealing with translations, so nuances abound.
- https://bahai-library.com/uhj_preferred_translation_bible - I mentioned Hud; being raise a Christian, the Old Testament was a constant companion; hence the Apple of the Eye post. Being American, too, and relating to old families, I am well aware of the nuances of this history, including those burned for translating the Bible. The Master spent a whole lot of time in New England, comparatively. That place where what is America fermented.
- http://bahai-library.com/books/announcement.quran/ - "As to Muhammad, the Apostle of God, let none among His followers who read these pages, think for a moment that Islam, or its Prophet, or His Book, or His appointed Successors, or any of His authentic teachings, have been, or are to be in any way, or to however slight a degree, disparaged." Quote from the Guardian.
- <http://bahai-library.com/quran_rodwell_sale_zamir - Discussion Sale's and Rodwell's translations and more.
- https://www.soundvision.com/article/a-survey-of-english-translations-of-the-quran - Same thing, different viewpoint.
Looks like some fun will be ahead.
Remarks: Modified: 06/13/2018
Wednesday, March 13, 2013
Effectiveness, Groups
Month, Day: 169, Loftiness, Knowledge (Justice)
We know cycles, by observation and by practice. Our science has taught us a lot about cycles. Mathematics knew about these before we pulled them out through discovery.
Earlier, we used groupings to relate Attributes (Category: Badi, Search: Groups). Some of those posts are listed below with a little commentary about motivation and content.
The image, to the right, is the first cut of several on this theme. The columns need to be named (for example, Splendour, Light, Names, Power, Sovereignty). Too, the title would have some meaning. Notice that the Intercalary period (third column) allows for a full matrix (5x4). Also, the insertion of this period into the calendar right before the last month allows for future adjustment of the calendar with minimal effect. One could imagine a shorter or longer Interplanetary period depending upon the state of our solar system.
Operational months are quite purposeful. It is the middle set of groups and map to the harvest times for the northern climes. Too, this grouping is not meant solely for meditative purposes. Just like we can see attributes for days of the week (albeit, some might argue it's purely psychological - ah, is that so?), we can see them for the months of the year. The calendar was set out to allow us a handle on this.
Which brings up the motivational. Questions, as the basis of science, is our main gift.
Remarks:
03/11/2020 -- Still doing Groups (patterns).
04/09/2016 -- We had a triple day, earlier, due to the new definitions.
08/08/2013 -- Perfection/Perfection.
Modified: 03/11/2020
We know cycles, by observation and by practice. Our science has taught us a lot about cycles. Mathematics knew about these before we pulled them out through discovery.
 | |||||
| Five? |
- Upward (March 18, 2009) - Post the day of the Saint of the Isles, which is Honour, there is the upward movement toward the next period. Honour is the last of the Motivational months.
- Groups and cusps (March 24, 2009) - Notice that Light starts the Teleological mix.
- Transcendent, again (May 30, 2009) - We go into the Transcendent with Naw-Ruz with the new measure.
- Light and Names (October 20, 2009) - It is interesting that Light and Names start their groups. In fact, that first column has an interesting feel; along with these two, we have Splendour, Power, and Sovereignty.
- Sevenths (December 21, 2009) - Four is not magical; it was picked for a certain type of effectiveness. What we grouped by three? Five (see the image of the Bab's handwriting, above)? Any other number that allows a set greater than 1? Seven is interesting (see 7V4V) in how it relates the months.
- Chords (December 23, 2009) - The prior bullet's theme brings up chords (see TP & AN).
- Enlightenment (May 22, 2010) - One theme that we'll explore further is looking at the American experience (remembering the negative impact on the native population) in the framework of before and after the advent of the Great Name.
- Overcoming ignorance (August 27, 2012) -- We have a Perfection each year and month. Lots to say about that.
 |
| 4 Attributes, 5 Groups |
Operational months are quite purposeful. It is the middle set of groups and map to the harvest times for the northern climes. Too, this grouping is not meant solely for meditative purposes. Just like we can see attributes for days of the week (albeit, some might argue it's purely psychological - ah, is that so?), we can see them for the months of the year. The calendar was set out to allow us a handle on this.
Which brings up the motivational. Questions, as the basis of science, is our main gift.
Remarks:
03/11/2020 -- Still doing Groups (patterns).
04/09/2016 -- We had a triple day, earlier, due to the new definitions.
08/08/2013 -- Perfection/Perfection.
Modified: 03/11/2020
Thursday, May 25, 2023
Warnings on Hermes
Month, Day: 180, Grandeur, Perfection (Justice)
See Article on Hermes which was great to find and confirmed my thoughts on the ways of knowledge. So, enjoyed pondering this for a while. Then, the warning. It's there. Some were given access to this knowledge. For the most, not. In time, things will work out. Venturing too far can lead to insanity. Besides, even prayer can be harmful if for the wrong purpose or for silly things. Balance and the medium.
So, we have the 7V4V. With the 7V, Hermes is of the 4th Heaven (see the Night Journey - Quran and the traditions). But, too, the Hidden Words. Has it all.
But, forgetting Hermes? Nope. Explains too much.
Remarks: 05/24/2023
05/24/2023 --
Monday, October 11, 2021
Operational modes
Month, Day: 178, Will, Honour (Perfection)
This is cursory and meant to crystallize some reflective notions. The necessary work has to do with operational concerns, on an on-going basis. The rampant abuse that can result from various technological achievements has to be mitigated through people understanding the dynamics on all levels.
Motivation: The Masters Prayer sent to Alfred E. Lunt (grandfather, 8th generation in the U.S. - died in 1937). This is with respect to what the American dream might be and how it applies to those who see it.
As well, yes, I am familiar with the Baha'i Cosmology as written on Wikipedia (get link).
- God/Manifestation (see Writings)
- Creation/Covenant (Master, Guardian)
- Philosophy/Mathematics (our knowingness)
- Others (necessary realization, significance)
- Philosophy/Mathematics (applied, operational)
- Technology (abilities and artifacts)
- Evolution (energy)
If one thinks of 7V4V, that is fine. We have periods and cycles.
The advent of the computer compels us to look at things differently than we did before. In this hierarchy, of course, there is both top-down and bottom-up. It can be secularized (that's the whole idea).
This linear string is happenstance. We are talking embedding of various sorts. It may be that the transition to a secular view that can be modeled, in terms of truth engineering, will help elucidate some of the particulars that will seem too fuzzy. BTW, others? Unity, of course.
Remarks: 10/11/2021
10/11/2021 --
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