Effectiveness, Groups

Month, Day: 169, Loftiness, Knowledge (Justice)

We know cycles, by observation and by practice. Our science has taught us a lot about cycles. Mathematics knew about these before we pulled them out through discovery.

Five?

Earlier, we used groupings to relate Attributes (Category: Badi, Search: Groups). Some of those posts are listed below with a little commentary about motivation and content.

• Upward (March 18, 2009) - Post the day of the Saint of the Isles, which is Honour, there is the upward movement toward the next period. Honour is the last of the Motivational months. 
• Groups and cusps (March 24, 2009) - Notice that Light starts the Teleological mix. 
• Transcendent, again (May 30, 2009) - We go into the Transcendent with Naw-Ruz with the new measure.
• Light and Names (October 20, 2009) - It is interesting that Light and Names start their groups. In fact, that first column has an interesting feel; along with these two, we have Splendour, Power, and Sovereignty. 
• Sevenths (December 21, 2009) - Four is not magical; it was picked for a certain type of effectiveness. What we grouped by three? Five (see the image of the Bab's handwriting, above)? Any other number that allows a set greater than 1? Seven is interesting (see 7V4V) in how it relates the months.    
• Chords (December 23, 2009) - The prior bullet's theme brings up chords (see TP & AN).
• Enlightenment (May 22, 2010) - One theme that we'll explore further is looking at the American experience (remembering the negative impact on the native population) in the framework of before and after the advent of the Great Name. 
• Overcoming ignorance (August 27, 2012) -- We have a Perfection each year and month. Lots to say about that.

4 Attributes, 5 Groups

The image, to the right, is the first cut of several on this theme. The columns need to be named (for example, Splendour, Light, Names, Power, Sovereignty). Too, the title would have some meaning. Notice that the Intercalary period (third column) allows for a full matrix (5x4). Also, the insertion of this period into the calendar right before the last month allows for future adjustment of the calendar with minimal effect. One could imagine a shorter or longer Interplanetary period depending upon the state of our solar system.

Operational months are quite purposeful. It is the middle set of groups and map to the harvest times for the northern climes. Too, this grouping is not meant solely for meditative purposes. Just like we can see attributes for days of the week (albeit, some might argue it's purely psychological - ah, is that so?), we can see them for the months of the year. The calendar was set out to allow us a handle on this.

Which brings up the motivational. Questions, as the basis of science, is our main gift.

Remarks:

03/11/2020 -- Still doing Groups (patterns).

04/09/2016 -- We had a triple day, earlier, due to the new definitions.

08/08/2013 -- Perfection/Perfection.

Modified: 03/11/2020

The Groups

Month, Day: 168, Splendour, Honour (Justice)

Since we're in the first month of the first Group, it seemed time to collect things about the Groups (four of four months each, with one of three months - which would be four if the Intercalary period was added).

• Transcendent, Teleological, Operational, Motivational, Ascendant

Within each month, there is a recurrence with a square day.

Aside: these groups are one of many types but are operationally effective, in a sense; however, the cleaving not done by the sword.

Remarks:

03/11/2020 -- Still doing Groups (patterns).

Modified: 03/11/2020

Groups, again, from the beginning

Month, Day: 181, Loftiness, Power (Majesty) 

Let's look a little at motivation for the following by the way of a few of the earlier posts. At the basis, we have moment to moment as a reality which the Fast brings to focus. 

1. Some seeds (Jan 2008) - The modern mind runs from chaos and random things through patterns into the certainty of technology. We can trace the development of those views. But, we also know of the stability of orbits as evidenced the calendar which was defined anew by the Bab. Thoughts during the Fast settled on the long trek from the rush of the 1st day and month (Splendour of Loftiness) all the way to the last day of the same month (Loftiness of Loftiness) after which we have Naw Ruz (now set by the moon over Tehran). Thinking about the flow, some Attributes (of God) made more sense from the human view. For instance, Light (5th month) is followed by Mercy and Words. Ah, biblical tunes come to play, such as Genesis. Later, we get to Knowledge (12th  month) followed by Power and Speech. Those suggested some type of group arrangement. 

This image shows the 19 months, starting with Splendour and ending with Loftiness with every month following the same pattern, separated into groups of three. What pops out is the transition through the month of Might (10th month) as the mid-point which is followed by Will. In terms of that last, independence of thought and perception are primal in the Writings. That order? We will get to Kant who was pre Bab. 

Might and focus

2. Another motive comes from last of the 7 Valleys where "chord" is mentioned in terms of possible interpretations meaning personal, purposful usage of the notions. There are many ways to group such as noting that there are 9 evens and 10 odds when considering an index of the ordered list of months. In the above, Might is the (10th month) followed by Will which brings in issues of free will and choice among other things. 

We mentioned Kant, above, and will be trying to show how his philosophy is central to the transition period of the Manifestations. Kant died in 1804 and represented the culmination of work to that time of bringing to fruit the "2 letters" of which reason was an important factor. Those of science who have looked realize that Kant's thoughts apply in lots of ways. Many of these have been ignored. 

Seven Valleys and human ways

3. This image has three circles with the interior one representing the days of the week. The new calendar has the week starting on Saturday with the name of Glory. It ends on Friday with Independence, such as today. That resonates with the modern way and its systems many of which are based upon the clock. 

The next two circles are based upon the Attributes of the months and their days. So, we have the start of Splendour and the end of Loftiness. Notice in the middle circle, Might has its place as a fulcrum. We have much to discuss about that. 

4/09/2022, Saturday (Glory) Glory, Splendour (09/03)

There are three lines in the image. Their meaning can be seen in the caption of the image. In 2022, the 9th of April was the first day of the week (Glory) and the month (Splenour) of the second month (Glory). This is a "square" day. There are also triple days where we see the same name for each. In 2011, the month of August had a triple day.  

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Groups were mentioned above without proper comment. These are in terms of four months: Transcendent; Teleological; Operational; Motivational; Ascendant. But, we have looked at groups of three and even eight. 

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Our focus all along has been science and religion as compatible themes with respect to knowledge. Everyone has the right to work that out for themselves, with the proviso, though, that science and its methods be publically verifiable. While, religion deals with the person's own realm of being in so many ways. 

Back to Kant, he showed that we can neither prove nor disprove God from the view of science, at least in terms that are prevalent in today's world. Remember, Kants of of the "2 letter" time. Too, the top-of-the-line logical  machines tell us this: whether or not one believes in God comes down to choice. 

So, free will? Now with respect to the growing complexity that we see with technology, personal choices have to be balanced with public views in so many ways. The Universal House of Justice will be weighing in on that. For instance, there is a lot in the Baha'i Writings that can be shown to subjectively relate to science. Same goes for the Koran which is full of wisdom that has not yet been brought to public view. 

Remarks: 03/14/2025

03/14/2025 --  

Groups and cusps

Month, Day: Splendour, Grandeur (Grace)
Month, Day: Splendour, Light (Justice)

We're on the cusp of the transition between groups, from Transcendent (Splendour, Glory, Beauty, Grandeur) to Teleological (Light, Mercy, Words, Perfection). The former is beyond words. The latter includes Words. What a sequence for the latter! Light, then Mercy! One can think of many things; starting with that told in the Book of Genesis and then pondering clouds in all their aspects can be wonderful. In terms of the latter, clouds shield us from sun, for instance; too, the bountiful rain (which is a metaphor for a whole bunch of things) arises thusly.

These groups will be central to the reflective focus this year. Since the structure is there, it has to be studied.

Can't wait for the onset of the Operational and Motivational months, yet each month until then will allow suitable preparatory work.

Remarks:

11/23/2009 -- Motivational thoughts.

07/26/2009 -- The Operational times will be fun.

05/29/2009 -- The Transcendent baffles.

Modified: 11/23/2009

Upward

Month, Day: Loftiness, Sovereignty (Justice)

Last year, the first one, there were only three posts during the Fast: Light, Power, and Honour. This year there are only three: Glory, Perfection, and today. There'll be no other until the New Year (166).

Each day brings new themes. And, they can stack in an accretion of knowledge. Hence, the basis for an ontology.

Too, we'll traverse these again, more slowly, as each month grinds through its days.

Expect more on the theme of the groups: Transcendent, Teleological, Operational, Motivational, and then Ascendant.

Not only do we go round and round, never ending or repeating (and, this we can know), we pass through, and react to, something that we can describe (more on this later), with science, since we can ask Questions.

Partly due to the fact that we do not have the Manifestation here, we have experimentation (the essence of true science) and the inevitable conflict resolution (UHJ).

Remarks:

03/11/2020 -- Still doing Groups (patterns).

12/06/2009 -- The Motivational implies goals and actions.

10/11/2009 -- Will, an operational imperative for science.

05/29/2009 -- The Transcendent baffles.

Modified: 03/11/2020

St. Patrick

Month, Day: 173, Loftiness, Honour (Majesty)

Last of the Motivational (Groups, again). Used to be that St. Patrick's celebration was on this day, Honour. This year it will be on Sovereignty (tomorrow).

St. Patrick? He of the green island. 5th century. Friend of the Irish. Saint of several Christian Faiths. 100 years prior to Mohammed (PBOH). 

So, there have been a couple of posts that remembered the guy.

• 2008 - Patricius, et al
• 2011 - Recurring theme 

He has always come to mind this time of the year: was of the Roman times, slaved for several years, was inspired to follow Christ (Apple of the Bab's eye - 2011), had a stint in France, brought Christianity to Ireland.  

Taught across all levels (Eógan mac Néill).

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St. Patrick motivates this (7V and 4V, Valleys, again, Tests, 2016).

Remarks: Modified: 03/11/2020

03/11/2020 -- Still doing Groups (patterns).

Five points

Month, Day: 169, Glory, Power (Glory)

Today, Ridvan. Looking at some related material, I came across the Symbols. And, then I saw the Tablet of the Bab written as a five-pointed star.

Well, have to admit, haven't seen that before.

And, the meanderings today looked at Names of God (Attributes).

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Earlier, there had been discussion about the Groups. Picking a partitioning by four was arbitrary, but that did allow a type of coherent view which had some operational appeal. Part of the discussion used 'chords' which seems to be implied in the 7V4V.

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Let's consider a five partition.

• Splendour, Glory, Beauty, Grandeur, Light (so far, it looks cohesive)
• Mercy, Words, Perfection, Names, Might (again)
• Will, Knowledge, Power, Speech, Questions (ah, operational efforts, and science)
• Honour, Dominion, Sovereignty, Intercalary, Loftiness (with the buffer period, there is an even split)

There is something to this. What concepts would apply to each of the groups so that we could identify a label?

I will have to use the current measure to consider the theme further. 

Remarks:

04/22/2012 --So, we have both a 4x5 and a 5x4. The former has been looked at for awhile. The latter will be the focus of attention for a few posts. Then, we'll relate the two viewpoints.

Modified: 04/22/2012

Groups and Chords

Month, Day: 173, Glory, Beauty (Beauty)

This is just a collection of some things, for now (motivation started during Fast time of 2009). 

The groups.

Transcendent Teleological Operational Motivational Ascendant

Splendour, Glory, Beauty, Grandeur        Light, Mercy, Words, Perfection              Names, Might, Will, Knowledge      Power, Speech, Questions, Honour Sovereignty, Dominion, ***, Loftiness                  *** Intercalary

From: 7V and 4V

prior, static, Western

... in works ...

Remarks: Modified: 04/10/2016

04/10/2016 --

The four rows?

Month, Day: 170, Glory, Glory (Justice)

A theme: groups. One permutation: chords and groups.

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The image is apropos. The task? What would be the labels for the columns? Or, if the matrix were transposed, what would be the row names?

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Since there are four, the Valleys (Self of God, remembrance of God, neither reason nor authority, blackest of nights)? The Spirits (mineral, vegetative, animal, human). Earlier, there was a mapping to the intellectual attributes: Imagination, Thought, Comprehension, Memory.

All sorts of mysteries abound and can help insight if time is spent in reflection. 

Remarks:

04/10/2013 --  

Modified: 04/10/2013

Ascendant to Transcendent

Month, Day: 166, Dominion, Dominion (Justice)

Couldn't pass up having a post on this square day. We're heading to the last month of 166 (and the renewal of energies). With the three Ascendant months and the four Transcendent months, we have almost a third of the year devoted to things than cannot be reduced.

Isn't that great?

Then, we have the reducible, to an extent, and usable, with the other three groups: Teleological, Operational, and Motivational.

So, the theme will continue, as how can we apply knowledge of the Key? How long will this take? Well, I'm not racing against the anyone's clock (though, it's to be within PTIME, I hope).

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Reminder, about Revelation, Aqdas (#37): Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying impostor.

Easy enough.

Too, somehow, the abstracted has led us astray. How to reclaim the fact that human intuition, and natural bases, are more grounded? That is, Creation-based science.

Remarks:

03/11/2020 -- Still doing Groups (patterns).

03/21/2011 -- Year 165, Year 166, Year 167, Year 168

04/21/2010 -- We need to upgrade to a Transcendent Topology.

Modified: 03/11/2020

Transcendent, again

Month, Day: Grandeur, Power (Independence)

So far removed, yet so close. That is the lesson. Yet, the so far leads to cognitive states that are becoming more and more explicitly described, such as that pointed out (follow the URL) or that exhibited by the growing clamor of the brights.

• http://godisimaginary.com

The themes related to the unfolding of audacity are many; subsequent groups (Teleological onward) will be more amenable to providing discussion points, in that science is knowing and doing which implies that real, measurable effects are waiting to be discovered, and applied, by us.

Just think of the twin duties as laid down in the Aqdas, namely recognition (being able to see) and observance (being able to apply in all affairs, including one's scientific pursuits) part of which would be being fully aware of the influence, on Nature, of the Manifestation.

One might think that the Transcendent and Teleological set the stage for what we then can do under the Operational and Motivational. In this sense, the Attributes by day follow each month in cycles that never end. Iteration (and another side of it) is one way to force learning.

But, the cycle is not to a strict replay. The time arrow applies here; the logic ought to be founded upon what we can know of Creation; many are trying to understand this; yet, how can we ever handle incompleteness without intuition? See this video, for starters on discussion of how quasi-empiricism relates.

• http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5122859998068380459

Remarks:

03/11/2020 -- Still doing Groups (patterns).

04/04/2011 -- We'll be looking at things like foreknowledge.

02/24/2010 -- Ascendant to Transcendent.

09/26/2009 -- An issue for the Operational view.

06/11/2009 -- Science and Religion.

06/05/2009 -- Light very much is something to study in this context.

Modified: 03/11/2020

Sun cycles

Month, Day: 182, Loftiness, Light (Independence)

There are many motivations for our thinking of the Attributes that roll through our lives every day of the month and the month of the year. Over the years since 2009, we have had many variants and permutations on the theme.

This is a major one. 

Aqdas #142: Verily, He revealed certain laws so that, in this Dispensation, the Pen of the Most High might have no need to move in aught but the glorification of His own transcendent Station and His most effulgent Beauty.

Today, we want to switch from the 5 groups of 4 to one of 4 groups of 5. That would allow a map to the seasons. 

• Spring (Mar) -- Splendour, Glory, Beauty, Grandeur, Light   -- Transcendent
• Summer (Jun) -- Mercy, Words, Perfection, Names, Might  -- Teleological
• Fall (Sep) -- Will, Knowledge, Power, Speech, Questions -- Operational/Motivational 
• Winter (Dec) -- Honour, Sovereignty, Dominion, ..., Loftiness --  Ascendant

Several things come to mind, Light (Teleological) lines up with Might (Operational) as both representing power and energy. Questions (Motivational) is stressed; one might say, as opposed to Answers. Loftiness (Ascendant to Transcendent) ends and starts the Baha'i year.

These four are the months in which the Group changes occur. 

Finally, with respect to the Months of the Year, the "..." represents the Intercalary Days that are between the months of Dominion and Loftiness. 

Remarks: 03/06/2026

03/06/2026 -- 

Overcoming ignorance

Month, Day: 169, Names, Perfection (Perfection)

As said, favorite month, after Questions. Dawkins is wrong about religion being where questions/intellect stop. We'll have to go into that further at some point (see Brights).

Questions is part of our basis (Motivational); we'll be getting back to that, too. By the way, we're into the Operational times. The Teleological ended with Perfection. This is a type of Perfection-squared day (see definition of Groups in this post).

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This day, 08/27/1912: Consider human ignorance and inconsistency. A man who kills another man is punished by execution, but a military genius who kills one hundred thousand of his fellow creatures is immortalized as a hero. One man steals a small sum of money and is imprisoned as a thief. Another pillages a whole country and is honored as a patriot and conqueror. A single falsehood brings reproach and censure, but the wiles of politicians and diplomats excite the admiration and praise of a nation. Consider the ignorance and inconsistency of mankind. How darkened and savage are the instincts of humanity!

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 In New England, the Master's message had many interesting tones, that we'll be looking (motivation for this will be forthcoming, to boot). Personally, I'm looking forward to following the western journey (albeit, 100 years later).

Remarks:

08/31/2012 -- Names, Knowledge, Independence.

Modified: 08/31/2012

Motivational II

Month, Day: 166, Speech, Splendour (Perfection)

We're 14 months into the year and into the 2nd (Speech) of this group. We asked why Motivational for this group which will be followed by the Ascendant? Well, we saw that there is energy imparted in spring of each year, like a yearly measure.

Those early times, each year, are the Transcendent and Teleological. In the northern climes, we see the peak of the energy of summer in the Operational. Where, too, the fruits of this energy are abundant.

Then, the Motivational times are during the slowing down times, again in the northern climes, post harvesting and gathering. We see that much of the vegetative life goes into a suspended state, so to speak, as do some animals. In fact, many mammals do their retreat into hibernation.

The yearly changes, seasons, have been used as a metaphor for life. The juxtaposition of a cross-generational match is termed, May-October. So, it goes, too, for these Groups.

Somehow, it seems that this time is one for review. That is, from a sense of science, we would be looking at results. Then, when the Ascendant comes around, we would then work on rework of the necessary hypotheses.

Isn't it nice that we have these cycles always there?

Remarks:

11/21/2010 -- What motivates, indeed.

11/24/2009 -- What motivates?

Modified: 11/21/2010

Leap Day, 2016

Month, Day: 172, 4th, Intercalary (Perfection)

We started this blog in 2008. So, this will be our third Leap Day. The Baha'i calendar did use an extra Intercalary day for this purpose (see New Year). In the western calendar, we add a day. In the U.S., these are years where there is a Presidential election.

It might be interesting to see what was going during each of those earlier times.

2008 Started early talking about energy, science religion, etc., for which we have a new Basis. Suggesting an operational focus. By the next Fast period, we had started to look at cycles and more. And, then Groups. 

2012 We did a post on the 28th.Too, the whole idea of yearly measures was getting stronger. Coupled with this was that we need to know about and to understand chords (see graph for an example). 

Remarks: Modified: 03/25/2016

03/25/2016 -- A change in the calendar will have days (including Naw Ruz, the Twin Festivals) adjusting. As well, we have a principal vector upon which to contemplate.

Then, the Teleological and Operational

 Month, Day: 177, Loftiness, Light (Independence)

We started with the Transcendent with Splendour, Glory, Beauty, and Grandeur. 

Then, we went to the Teleological, today, with Light, Mercy, Words, and Perfection. 

After that, Operational: Names, Might, Will, Knowledge.   

Next up, after these two, are Motivational, and Ascendant. 

By month and day. The groups first mentioned in March 9, 2009. 

Remarks: 03/05/2021 

03/05/2021 -- 

Ascendant

 Month, Day: 177, Loftiness, Honour (Grace)

Motivational segues to Ascendant. A little adjustment is in order with assignment, however the Categories work.  

BWF, Chapter 9, pg 414: One of the teachings is that love and faithfulness must so prevail in the hearts that men may see the stranger as a friend, the sinner as an intimate fellow, may count enemies as allies, regard foes as loving comrades, call their executioner the giver of life, consider the denier as a believer and the unbeliever as a faithful one--that is, men must behave in such a manner as may befit the believers, the faithful, the friend and the confidant. 

After an absence, centenary.bahai.us is back.  

By month and day. The groups first mentioned in March 9, 2009. 

Remarks: 03/15/2021 

03/15/2021 --  

August, 2011 to 2015

Month, Day: 175, Names, Knowledge (Independence)

Given cycles (with which are energies), looking across these is apropos. So, this. Have not had posts in August since 2015. So, we'll look at five years of August.

• 2011 (3) - Ramadan started in Perfection which is the last of the Teleological.
• 2012 (5) - The Master was in New England while visiting the States. Then, He had his western jaunt including a stop in Colorado (in the mountains), San Francisco (and surrounds) and a quick visit to Los Angeles (Thornton Chase - cuz).
• 2013 (5) - Octaves and more.
• 2014 (1) - Science and Questions (found stale link).
• 2015 (1) - Photo from  Green Acre, summer of 1912.

Will be doing more of these.

Remarks: Modified: 08/31/2019

05/27/2019 -- This year, started to look at a more natural cycle: Groups, again.

More Questions

Month, Day: Sovereignty, Questions (Perfection)

Questions are a major theme, with the monthly renewal. Not that we cannot ask audacious questions, daily, in our review.

So, here are a few.

• -- There are hierarchies, in the Kingdom (to wit, see Wikipedia). Of course, we have divisions along all sorts of axes in Creation. These we can learn via science, in the most general view of our ability to know. Is that Kingdom heirarchy, by necessity, shown in the life in the natural world, that is, what we see within human existence? Why ask? Well, we are to strive. Accomplishment trinkets accrue in various situations.
• -- There is a weekly Attribute of Independence. How far does Independent Investigation of the Truth carry for individual endeavor? There is a balance, we know, since 'groups' are mentioned in several contexts in the Writings. But, look how the 'groupal' mind of science has seemed to have gone far astray. Hence, the necessity of audacity (as mentioned above and elsewhere) seems to be a given.
• -- In terms of the hierarchies (above), are these in any way related to the 'smarts' as we see them measured and demonstrated in the natural realm? Well, we could probably say not really and not be far off the mark. Iqan, 233: "The understanding of His words and the comprehension of the utterances of the Birds of Heaven are in no wise dependent upon human learning. They depend solely upon purity of heart, chastity of soul, and freedom of spirit."

Aside note: These posts may indicate some 'tude, to particular viewpoints, yet consider that there is 'apti' as well as 'atti' in the use. The former pertains to operational effectiveness; the latter? Well, though it can run a gamut, it is neither unnecessary nor undesirable (think Independence).

Remarks:
12/06/2009 -- The Motivational implies goals and actions.

08/16/2009 -- The Operational group is approaching, and ontology is primal. One area of focus, as suggested by this post, will be mind-body studies. Somehow, insights from the Writings ought to have importance, teleological and operational.

06/11/2009 -- Science and Religion.

02/06/2009 -- The Book that will be used to augment 7V4V, for some deep study.

If you look at the world, you see those with and those without. That applies to any attribute, yet money collection (the supposed rich state) and intelligence are a couple that are obvious in their possible measurements -- the former more so than the latter (thanks, Stephen Jay Gould, 1941-2002). But, in terms of the latter, the idiot on this side may very well be on an upper part of the above-mentioned hierarchies on the other. You see, the IQ (of which those who process better here and gloat thereby),as an operational means, has no bearing on the measuring a soul's worth; in fact, too much of the IQ can be as deadly as is money to the rich guy (parable of the camel and the eye's needle).

Why even mention this? Well, true science will be non-elitist and will be such that any who desires to do so can contribute. So, institutional comparative worthiness would take a back seat to the true human-based endeavor that will be necessary for us to really progress as inhabitants of space and time via nature's earth.

Too, time is only on this side. Let's say that as measured by the clocking mechanisms. Yet, as hierarchies imply, there is order. So, event ordering is very much a persistent phenomenon, even though each moment is really the whole.

Modified: 12/06/2009

Mentors

Month, Day: 166, Dominion, Splendour (Beauty)

There was an earlier suggestion that we need to think about, though we cannot comprehend, the various states of the Manifestations, who are Key, since we have been allowed Questions (science).

Notice SAQ #25: In the Gospel of John, in speaking of the Promised One Who was to come after Christ, it is said in chapter 16, verses 12, 13: “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak.” Then, there is an explanation.

How does this happen? Is there any similarity with normal human existence? That is, are we allowed any semblance of knowing.

What about action? We all have some notion about puppetry. Is this not the motivation behind indoctrination?

These questions are such as an autodidact would bring forward; independent investigation of the truth necessitates the autodidact which essentially consists a mentor-less state.

Yet, how can one actually be mentor-less? Our parents are our first mentors (SAQ #57). In fact, they set the stage for our lives, in many ways that are permanent. If they have done a good job, it leaves one in a condition of standing on the shoulders of giants (thanks, Isaac).

In this regard, too, the counsel of God loving those who works in groups (paraphrase) applies from several perspectives. One that needs further explanation is foundational (the future - psychether).

By the way, have you thanked your parents lately (SAQ #62)?

Consider that the Glory's parents died early so that he was raised by his uncle which resulted in a different mentoring situation. Teleologically important? Reducing a type of influence? Perhaps, it was a grace to them, disallowed any erroneous motions (free will, this side).

In any case, the usual 'mentor' dynamic, of the normal human experience, did not happen. However the operational aspects unfolded, we can only know pieces. One important thing? No matter how real any similar circumstance may appear to be, it cannot be the case, according to the thousand year rule.

Now, this discussion mainly points to the time when science (ah, Brights?) will have accepted some categorical difference between humans and other creatures and when they try to attempt to use this knowledge. Somehow, limits must be fully described and supported scientifically. As mentioned earlier, for those things not in the Writings (and we do not know this yet),
the Universal House of Justice will be central.

Remarks:

02/24/2010 -- Ascendant to Transcendent.

Modified: 03/11/2010