Month, Day: 167, Will, Perfection (Perfection)
Looking at the sequence that starts with concupiscence, and then irascibility, what motivates the next step (which we'll go into later after some rumination with this theme)?
That is, if one uses an emergence theme, as we see with science, in trying to explain, and interpret, what we see, on what basis does one go beyond the teeming masses (which metaphor applies to many things)? There is a big leap from describing what is to then trying to show how things came about. Or, ought I say many big leaps?
As a hint, there is this to ponder (as we reflect) which relates to the theme being discussed. Aqdas (#58): Beware lest the desires of the flesh and of a corrupt inclination provoke divisions among you. Be ye as the fingers of one hand, the members of one body. Thus counselleth you the Pen of Revelation, if ye be of them that believe.
There are many desires which drive a progression toward continuation of life, over time, which, then, we hope fruits into some type of maturity and which we expect that we can define (the goal, for some anyway). At some point, moderating influences will have irritated and guided, as necessary. But, they may not have, too.
Hence, the very apparent imbalances that are observable. And, for many of these, many types of rationalizations have been proposed, some of which have taken hold (at least, for those who benefit from such - for those who suffer (the majority), not so much -- these are reduced to hoping for justice).
Remarks:
10/05/2010 -- From whence, indeed.
Modified: 10/05/2010
Monday, October 4, 2010
Friday, October 1, 2010
Irritation
Month, Day: 167, Will, Light (Independence)
What is an example of irascibility? Cantankerous old guy? Cross old gal? Testy teen? Choleric'd child?
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Earlier, we started to look at the developmental sequence that starts with concupiscence. One can imagine but not attain, in this life (in the next?), a completely problem-free situation. Well, there are moments in life that are extremely nice.
In fact, from the viewpoint of weather and climate, both spring and fall can have delightful days even in the far northern realms. But, that is an aside.
What are some of these situations that are without irritation. Well, for the infant in the womb, one may claim this albeit the mother labors. Too, some seem to be born into a life of ease where any work, of substance, is done by others.
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Ought this be the time to bring up the pearl which is, essentially, the result of reaction to an irritation?
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Another aside: the allure of the computational experience is one where a servant, or a whole collection of them, responds to the will of the computer, or network, user. That is, if things are going well (let us count the ways that they can go wrong). We need to find a way to characterize this better, but a whole lot of affect can come from little effort.
Actually, the urge to text, and such, while driving points specifically to the ease with which one can barrel down the road at high speed without exerting much effort at all. Too, very little of the mental capacity is used.
---
But, all things change, as we know. The baby has a limited womb time. The hours pass; seasons change; the urges need to be filled periodically. There is no sate'd state that is eternal.
Ah, so any desire, or desired state, ultimately comes to an end. One result would be irritation which then can lead to irascibility. In a sense, this level is thwarted desire. For one thing, that bumping against a boundary is part of the plan. It's how we learn.
But, what exactly is it that we're to learn? Academics? Who takes lessons from a classroom out to the world? How to follow a mentor's lead? Are we not told to not imitate?
Besides, there is the prime notion of independent investigation of the truth (autodidactic-ness).
Suffice it, for now, to know that we're to know. Then, we're to obey. Twin duties.
---
Why the use of the baby's early experience? We're told that the next life is as different from here as is here from the womb. In the womb, we develop the facilities for this life. In this life, we are garnering what is needed next.
Can we know what these things are and for what use? Well, right now, we are only on the 2nd step, of 7, so that discussion is for later. Hence, delay in looking at that topic can add to the irascibility, or not.
---
On moving beyond irascibility, consider the Gleanings (pg 175): The fears and agitation which the revelation of this law provokes in men’s hearts should indeed be likened to the cries of the suckling babe weaned from his mother’s milk, if ye be of them that perceive. Were men to discover the motivating purpose of God’s Revelation, they would assuredly cast away their fears, and, with hearts filled with gratitude, rejoice with exceeding gladness.
---
There is an operational system: the baby comes with a whole set of urges, nature abounds in urge fillers and thwarters, means exist for what we need, including learning, and so forth. We saw above some suggestion about motivation.
---
How do these two map? Concupiscence/Search, Irascibility/Love. We'll be looking at that as we go along starting with Inspiration/Knowledge.
Remarks:
10/04/2010 -- Friction can beget progress.
Modified: 10/04/2010
What is an example of irascibility? Cantankerous old guy? Cross old gal? Testy teen? Choleric'd child?
---
Earlier, we started to look at the developmental sequence that starts with concupiscence. One can imagine but not attain, in this life (in the next?), a completely problem-free situation. Well, there are moments in life that are extremely nice.
In fact, from the viewpoint of weather and climate, both spring and fall can have delightful days even in the far northern realms. But, that is an aside.
What are some of these situations that are without irritation. Well, for the infant in the womb, one may claim this albeit the mother labors. Too, some seem to be born into a life of ease where any work, of substance, is done by others.
---
Ought this be the time to bring up the pearl which is, essentially, the result of reaction to an irritation?
---
Another aside: the allure of the computational experience is one where a servant, or a whole collection of them, responds to the will of the computer, or network, user. That is, if things are going well (let us count the ways that they can go wrong). We need to find a way to characterize this better, but a whole lot of affect can come from little effort.
Actually, the urge to text, and such, while driving points specifically to the ease with which one can barrel down the road at high speed without exerting much effort at all. Too, very little of the mental capacity is used.
---
But, all things change, as we know. The baby has a limited womb time. The hours pass; seasons change; the urges need to be filled periodically. There is no sate'd state that is eternal.
Ah, so any desire, or desired state, ultimately comes to an end. One result would be irritation which then can lead to irascibility. In a sense, this level is thwarted desire. For one thing, that bumping against a boundary is part of the plan. It's how we learn.
But, what exactly is it that we're to learn? Academics? Who takes lessons from a classroom out to the world? How to follow a mentor's lead? Are we not told to not imitate?
Besides, there is the prime notion of independent investigation of the truth (autodidactic-ness).
Suffice it, for now, to know that we're to know. Then, we're to obey. Twin duties.
---
Why the use of the baby's early experience? We're told that the next life is as different from here as is here from the womb. In the womb, we develop the facilities for this life. In this life, we are garnering what is needed next.
Can we know what these things are and for what use? Well, right now, we are only on the 2nd step, of 7, so that discussion is for later. Hence, delay in looking at that topic can add to the irascibility, or not.
---
On moving beyond irascibility, consider the Gleanings (pg 175): The fears and agitation which the revelation of this law provokes in men’s hearts should indeed be likened to the cries of the suckling babe weaned from his mother’s milk, if ye be of them that perceive. Were men to discover the motivating purpose of God’s Revelation, they would assuredly cast away their fears, and, with hearts filled with gratitude, rejoice with exceeding gladness.
---
There is an operational system: the baby comes with a whole set of urges, nature abounds in urge fillers and thwarters, means exist for what we need, including learning, and so forth. We saw above some suggestion about motivation.
---
How do these two map? Concupiscence/Search, Irascibility/Love. We'll be looking at that as we go along starting with Inspiration/Knowledge.
Remarks:
10/04/2010 -- Friction can beget progress.
Modified: 10/04/2010
Friday, September 24, 2010
God's Creation
Month, Day: 167, Might, Sovereignty (Independence)
Our love of abstraction, ah the sirens do call, needs to be tempered as does anything. Several types of growing prowess easily lead to hubris, especially those related to mathematics and computation. Both have become more bane than boon for we little folk.
For one, pronouncements across all time and space are not possible though the mathematical genie may tell us so. Computational truth is more susceptible to vertigo than is our humble self. In fact, humans in the loop (the epitome of this being the UHJ's role) is paramount.
There are many things to discuss in regard to the theme, but one pattern was told several ways. That is, progression and regression are chordal as well as stepped. One might see this as the old continuous/discrete argument and not be wrong.
Let's look at the 7 Valleys and the development sequence mentioned in the Gleanings.
7 Valleys: Search, Love, Knowledge, Unity, Contentment, Wonderment, True Poverty and Absolute Nothingness
Gleanings: Concupiscence, Irascibility, Inspiration, Benevolence, Contentment, Divine Good Pleasure, ... ,
We'll take each of these as pairs starting with Search/Concupiscence. So, not only do we have basic drives, we see motivation as a key to life and system. In terms of the latter, consider, please, autonomy as the theme. Basic drives are not bad, as we have been told by the Master (SAQ #57: For example, from the beginning of his life you can see in a nursing child the signs of greed, of anger and of temper.). In fact, they are necessary.
Aside: the old adage that God helps those who help themselves applies here. Thankfully, we have a whole group of Motivational Attributes to ponder each month and year.
Now, we could go next to Love/Irascibility and the others and talk about the progressive scheme embedded that we see everywhere. The intent would be both descriptive (remember, we're talking System) and operational (deeds over Words). However, let's leave that for next time and return to desire.
Of late, we've seen come to light how some cats get fatter as they gorge themselves at the trough of good stuff that is filled by all of us. For some reason, the metaphoric thinking, misuse of Darwinian concepts, about business has been 'jungle' confluent. The notions related to the misconstrued 'free market' ideal have been obviously incomplete.
The problem is, how do we show this? It'll happen (do we have less than PTIME to accomplish the feat?).
Much of the 'free market' silliness really is trying to apply the facets of the above series. That is, autonomy is required for desire to work its magic, after infant-hood. We all know that a top-down overlay is not of men's hearts (Aqdas #95: None must contend with those who wield authority over the people; leave unto them that which is theirs, and direct your attention to men’s hearts.), even though power, in the hands of the unenlightened, seems to unlearn that basic theme.
The Bab said that the infant today is better (far surpassed in learning) than the most capable, and accomplished, from the former times. For one, that suggests that we ought to be using the human development system as a guide to how other systems ought to work. Two, we need to recognize that superimposed learning can be detrimental (not by necessity, though) to the proper type of development needed for sustainable economics (and other affairs).
Much to discuss here. Coming up will be: Love/Irascibility, Knowledge/Inspiration, Unity/Benevolence, Contentment/Contentment, Wonderment/Divine Good Pleasure
Remarks:
10/04/2010 -- Friction can beget progress.
10/01/2010 -- Irritation, the good and the bad.
Modified: 10/04/2010
Our love of abstraction, ah the sirens do call, needs to be tempered as does anything. Several types of growing prowess easily lead to hubris, especially those related to mathematics and computation. Both have become more bane than boon for we little folk.
For one, pronouncements across all time and space are not possible though the mathematical genie may tell us so. Computational truth is more susceptible to vertigo than is our humble self. In fact, humans in the loop (the epitome of this being the UHJ's role) is paramount.
There are many things to discuss in regard to the theme, but one pattern was told several ways. That is, progression and regression are chordal as well as stepped. One might see this as the old continuous/discrete argument and not be wrong.
Let's look at the 7 Valleys and the development sequence mentioned in the Gleanings.
7 Valleys: Search, Love, Knowledge, Unity, Contentment, Wonderment, True Poverty and Absolute Nothingness
Gleanings: Concupiscence, Irascibility, Inspiration, Benevolence, Contentment, Divine Good Pleasure, ... ,
We'll take each of these as pairs starting with Search/Concupiscence. So, not only do we have basic drives, we see motivation as a key to life and system. In terms of the latter, consider, please, autonomy as the theme. Basic drives are not bad, as we have been told by the Master (SAQ #57: For example, from the beginning of his life you can see in a nursing child the signs of greed, of anger and of temper.). In fact, they are necessary.
Aside: the old adage that God helps those who help themselves applies here. Thankfully, we have a whole group of Motivational Attributes to ponder each month and year.
Now, we could go next to Love/Irascibility and the others and talk about the progressive scheme embedded that we see everywhere. The intent would be both descriptive (remember, we're talking System) and operational (deeds over Words). However, let's leave that for next time and return to desire.
Of late, we've seen come to light how some cats get fatter as they gorge themselves at the trough of good stuff that is filled by all of us. For some reason, the metaphoric thinking, misuse of Darwinian concepts, about business has been 'jungle' confluent. The notions related to the misconstrued 'free market' ideal have been obviously incomplete.
The problem is, how do we show this? It'll happen (do we have less than PTIME to accomplish the feat?).
Much of the 'free market' silliness really is trying to apply the facets of the above series. That is, autonomy is required for desire to work its magic, after infant-hood. We all know that a top-down overlay is not of men's hearts (Aqdas #95: None must contend with those who wield authority over the people; leave unto them that which is theirs, and direct your attention to men’s hearts.), even though power, in the hands of the unenlightened, seems to unlearn that basic theme.
The Bab said that the infant today is better (far surpassed in learning) than the most capable, and accomplished, from the former times. For one, that suggests that we ought to be using the human development system as a guide to how other systems ought to work. Two, we need to recognize that superimposed learning can be detrimental (not by necessity, though) to the proper type of development needed for sustainable economics (and other affairs).
Much to discuss here. Coming up will be: Love/Irascibility, Knowledge/Inspiration, Unity/Benevolence, Contentment/Contentment, Wonderment/Divine Good Pleasure
Remarks:
10/04/2010 -- Friction can beget progress.
10/01/2010 -- Irritation, the good and the bad.
Modified: 10/04/2010
Sunday, September 12, 2010
God's science
Month, Day: 167, Might, Light (Beauty)
Month, Day: 167, Might, Might (Independence)
A few thoughts related to insights from the Writings that pertain to science which is an operational affair related to roles (emphasis on Deeds over Words in the requirements of the age). These will be collected in a coherent manner at some point.
In a sense, we might argue that any basis, other than a computational one, is suspect. Why? Long series of arguments here, but the Key applies. How? It is our task to show.
---
Humans bring to fore what is needed as an integral part of a worldview. Okay, reality is there, however intelligence (of a type to be discussed further) is manifested by ourselves.
There are means to note, for ourselves, what might be termed progress. For example, this from Gleanings: Much hath been written in the books of old concerning the various stages in the development of the soul, such as concupiscence, irascibility, inspiration, benevolence, contentment, Divine good-pleasure, and the like; the Pen of the Most High, however, is disinclined to dwell upon them. Every soul that walketh humbly with its God, in this Day, and cleaveth unto Him, shall find itself invested with the honor and glory of all goodly names and stations.
---
Humans have differing abilities, within themselves through time and amongst themselves. These need to be studied in their multifarious aspects.
Again, Gleanings: The whole duty of man in this Day is to attain that share of the flood of grace which God poureth forth for him. Let none, therefore, consider the largeness or smallness of the receptacle. The portion of some might lie in the palm of a man’s hand, the portion of others might fill a cup, and of others even a gallon-measure.
Hence, it's not the structure, as we saw earlier, rather it's the ability related to roles. And, these are mixed.
---
Of course, the gallon-measure demands attention. This does not mean oodles of money flowing like a stream (as we see now, with less than 2% collecting, or holding tightly, 99%+ of the resources), necessarily.
Science will allow more equitable concepts to emerge, especially in the dismal science of economics.
Aqdas: We have appointed two signs for the coming of age of the human race: the first, which is the most firm foundation, We have set down in other of Our Tablets, while the second hath been revealed in this wondrous Book.
One of these is that no enlightened person would want to be king or queen, except in some 'role' sense.
Remarks:
08/31/2012 -- Names, Knowledge, Independence.
12/05/2010 -- Is it not true that extreme positions on the axis of the mindful can lead to a god-like state-fulness?
0/04/2010 -- Friction can beget progress.
09/17/2010 -- As mentioned earlier as a comment that the year's focus would be enlightenment, the motivation (which group follows the Operational, in which we are now) is to understand the progression of science (toward scientism and other types) for the past 200 years through studying the Writings. We cannot look back, but we can try to delta around the Revelation times. The explosion in knowledge and technology, or observable patterns thereof, can be placed on a time line that can (must) span the mid-1800s thereby offering conjectural support. Now, the use of conjecture is meant to imply that we have, at best, quasi-empiricism anyway; hence, the proposed activity (applying insight about roles to discern the growing presence of these) is not without some 'sound' basis (foundational review that it needs to be). Without scrutiny such as this (audacious or not), how to we learn from the past? As far as we know, the prescription against looking back is against wider looks that have a smaller chance of finding corroborative data. Our merely looking back a few centuries is a minimal extension in comparison.
Modified: 08/31/2012
Month, Day: 167, Might, Might (Independence)
A few thoughts related to insights from the Writings that pertain to science which is an operational affair related to roles (emphasis on Deeds over Words in the requirements of the age). These will be collected in a coherent manner at some point.
In a sense, we might argue that any basis, other than a computational one, is suspect. Why? Long series of arguments here, but the Key applies. How? It is our task to show.
---
Humans bring to fore what is needed as an integral part of a worldview. Okay, reality is there, however intelligence (of a type to be discussed further) is manifested by ourselves.
There are means to note, for ourselves, what might be termed progress. For example, this from Gleanings: Much hath been written in the books of old concerning the various stages in the development of the soul, such as concupiscence, irascibility, inspiration, benevolence, contentment, Divine good-pleasure, and the like; the Pen of the Most High, however, is disinclined to dwell upon them. Every soul that walketh humbly with its God, in this Day, and cleaveth unto Him, shall find itself invested with the honor and glory of all goodly names and stations.
---
Humans have differing abilities, within themselves through time and amongst themselves. These need to be studied in their multifarious aspects.
Again, Gleanings: The whole duty of man in this Day is to attain that share of the flood of grace which God poureth forth for him. Let none, therefore, consider the largeness or smallness of the receptacle. The portion of some might lie in the palm of a man’s hand, the portion of others might fill a cup, and of others even a gallon-measure.
Hence, it's not the structure, as we saw earlier, rather it's the ability related to roles. And, these are mixed.
---
Of course, the gallon-measure demands attention. This does not mean oodles of money flowing like a stream (as we see now, with less than 2% collecting, or holding tightly, 99%+ of the resources), necessarily.
Science will allow more equitable concepts to emerge, especially in the dismal science of economics.
Aqdas: We have appointed two signs for the coming of age of the human race: the first, which is the most firm foundation, We have set down in other of Our Tablets, while the second hath been revealed in this wondrous Book.
One of these is that no enlightened person would want to be king or queen, except in some 'role' sense.
Remarks:
08/31/2012 -- Names, Knowledge, Independence.
12/05/2010 -- Is it not true that extreme positions on the axis of the mindful can lead to a god-like state-fulness?
0/04/2010 -- Friction can beget progress.
09/17/2010 -- As mentioned earlier as a comment that the year's focus would be enlightenment, the motivation (which group follows the Operational, in which we are now) is to understand the progression of science (toward scientism and other types) for the past 200 years through studying the Writings. We cannot look back, but we can try to delta around the Revelation times. The explosion in knowledge and technology, or observable patterns thereof, can be placed on a time line that can (must) span the mid-1800s thereby offering conjectural support. Now, the use of conjecture is meant to imply that we have, at best, quasi-empiricism anyway; hence, the proposed activity (applying insight about roles to discern the growing presence of these) is not without some 'sound' basis (foundational review that it needs to be). Without scrutiny such as this (audacious or not), how to we learn from the past? As far as we know, the prescription against looking back is against wider looks that have a smaller chance of finding corroborative data. Our merely looking back a few centuries is a minimal extension in comparison.
Modified: 08/31/2012
Monday, August 30, 2010
Will and knowing II
Month, Day: 167, Names, Will (Perfection)
Month, Day: 167, Names, Knowledge (Grace)
As we look at the ontological issues, this series brings a lot of insights that are of interest to operational schemes. For one, we have the groups: Transcendent, Teleological, Operational, Motivational, Ascendant. Then, we have the flow within each of the members of the Groups allowing us another look at each, every month.
Taking some concepts from f-logic, as an example of how structure comes to fore, Names would map to entities. Attributes are of several types, but they are subsumed by Might. That is, functional attributes are in the mix, to boot. Then, Will deals with the domain (Dominion), in this context, via roles. Finally, we have the first of the Twin Duties, namely to know (Knowledge).
After the last of the Operational group, we transition to the Motivational which helps us with the second of the Twin Duties.
Earlier, there was a motivation to note that we can immerse ourselves to find the basis for science. That is, immerse in the great sea of Words, yet, even there, the admonition is that the Twin Duties are paramount.
Aqdas #182: Immerse yourselves in the ocean of My words, that ye may unravel its secrets, and discover all the pearls of wisdom that lie hid in its depths.
We are only a few years beyond the Revelation, nowhere near any grand scheme that would allow 'spirit' into our materially engrossed lives and ontology. Of course, the brights may argue that such collective insight is impossible, or very unlikely.
As to likelihood, we have not seen yet how to establish the basis for such analysis. That is one of our tasks, perhaps the chief one.
Remarks:
05/17/2011 -- Stephen gets press.
05/09/2011 -- We need a constructive re-look.
10/04/2010 -- We have cycles within which to work.
09/12/2010 -- Actions, as in Deeds over Words, is the core issue related to science.
Modified: 05/17/2011
Month, Day: 167, Names, Knowledge (Grace)
As we look at the ontological issues, this series brings a lot of insights that are of interest to operational schemes. For one, we have the groups: Transcendent, Teleological, Operational, Motivational, Ascendant. Then, we have the flow within each of the members of the Groups allowing us another look at each, every month.
Taking some concepts from f-logic, as an example of how structure comes to fore, Names would map to entities. Attributes are of several types, but they are subsumed by Might. That is, functional attributes are in the mix, to boot. Then, Will deals with the domain (Dominion), in this context, via roles. Finally, we have the first of the Twin Duties, namely to know (Knowledge).
After the last of the Operational group, we transition to the Motivational which helps us with the second of the Twin Duties.
Earlier, there was a motivation to note that we can immerse ourselves to find the basis for science. That is, immerse in the great sea of Words, yet, even there, the admonition is that the Twin Duties are paramount.
Aqdas #182: Immerse yourselves in the ocean of My words, that ye may unravel its secrets, and discover all the pearls of wisdom that lie hid in its depths.
We are only a few years beyond the Revelation, nowhere near any grand scheme that would allow 'spirit' into our materially engrossed lives and ontology. Of course, the brights may argue that such collective insight is impossible, or very unlikely.
As to likelihood, we have not seen yet how to establish the basis for such analysis. That is one of our tasks, perhaps the chief one.
Remarks:
05/17/2011 -- Stephen gets press.
05/09/2011 -- We need a constructive re-look.
10/04/2010 -- We have cycles within which to work.
09/12/2010 -- Actions, as in Deeds over Words, is the core issue related to science.
Modified: 05/17/2011
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